Mini 1390: Game Over

[Konowa]

You've never played with Thor, have you? Scum know he is town. Thor is a strong player who would fight, as evidenced in this thread, possibly even win. I do not think that scum wanted to take that chance.

Also, Trollie please acknowledge that if Slandaar flips scum that you do not shoot. If you shoot wrong, we lose.

[Konowa]

Also, your reaction tests were horrible and did nothing to help the town.

[TheTrollie]

You've never played with Thor, have you? Scum know he is town. Thor is a strong player who would fight, as evidenced in this thread, possibly even win. I do not think that scum wanted to take that chance

Also, Trollie please acknowledge that if Slandaar flips scum that you do not shoot. If you shoot wrong, we lose.

this is literally insane. thor's fate was sealed. I do not understand why you won't even acknowledge the possibility that scum didn't shoot thor. There was no reason to, scum knew that either I was gonna kill him or he was gonna be lynched today. this is not hard to understand

Also, your reaction tests were horrible and did nothing to help the town.

that is incorrect.

[Konowa]

Then explain -one- kill. The only way for there to be one kill is for both you and scum to have targetted Thor. All your reaction tests did was confuse the town and lead us down a pointless road since the clearly Town thing to do today is lynch the player with the guilty on him.

[JacobSavage]

It terms of night kill actions I'm guessing that scum thought that he wasn't going to protect Trollie so took a pot shoy

[TheTrollie]

Then explain -one- kill. The only way for there to be one kill is for both you and scum to have targetted Thor. All your reaction tests did was confuse the town and lead us down a pointless road since the clearly Town thing to do today is lynch the player with the guilty on him.

Scum shoots Me
I shoot Thor
Thor BG me
= 1 kill

so no.

and you are wrong, they did not confuse town, they produced conversation that help us find scum. I do not see what you dont get about that. The "strategy" you have is great and all but it only guarantees us 1scum, we need more than that to win this game.

[TheTrollie]

Then explain -one- kill. The only way for there to be one kill is for both you and scum to have targetted Thor. All your reaction tests did was confuse the town and lead us down a pointless road since the clearly Town thing to do today is lynch the player with the guilty on him.

Scum shoots Me
I shoot Thor
Thor BG me
= 1 kill

so no.

and you are wrong, they did not confuse town, they produced conversation that help us find scum. I do not see what you dont get about that. The "strategy" you have is great and all but it only guarantees us 1scum, we need more than that to win this game.

[Idiotking]

Unvote

Thoughts incoming. I don't like the idea of lynching Slandaar without having a clear plan of attack tonight.

[Konowa]

Pretty certain scum team is Slandaar/Jacob/toxic.

[Konowa]

Plan of attack is we lynch Slandaar. If he flips scum, Trollie is to absolutely not shoot anyone. He shoots wrong in that situation, we lose. If Slandaar flips town, which I doubt, he is to proceed to shoot Sherlock in the face giving us another Day. Either way we enter tomorrow 4:2. Jacob is scum for the way he non-chanlantly was okay with both a Thor lynch or a Kinetic lynch yesterday. 4:1. We enter the next Day 3:1, where we will proceed to no lynch. By then POE will nab us scum.

[Konowa]

Also, Trollie, yes that is a possibility. Is it not also possible that scum shot Thor not willing to risk him being alive today and possibly convinving enough remaining town that he is in fact town?

[TheTrollie]

no one should end this before we hear from sherlock/slandaar

they have posted to say that they will contribute today. We need those contributions.

[Konowa]

He's frustratingly town. He just needs to acknowledge that if Slandaar flips scum, he is not to shoot anyone. If Slandaar flips town, he shoots Sherlock to give us another chance to lynch correctly. These are the absolutely own two situations to happen tonight.

Trollie, why are you ignoring this?

[Idiotking]

No, Trollie shoots regardless. At this point I'm convinced that he's a vig, so that makes 5 town vs 3 scum.

3 scum - 1 from lynch = 2 scum

at worst 5 town - 2 from NK = 3 town

and we're still afloat with 5 players and either a vig or a trustable cop.

Having done my best to follow Trollie's argument against Sherlock, I'm not convinced. I'm still willing to trust Sherlock if Slandaar flips, and for god's sake, Trollie shouldn't shoot Sherlock even if there's a

possibility

that he'll be killing our cop. Why? If he does it opens up the possibility for both of our PR's to die tonight, and that is

literally the worst possible thing that could happen.

.

I still say Trollie should shoot kwll and Sherlock should investigate Jacob. If Trollie is afraid of Sherlock being lying scum then lynching Kwll is fully possible, given Sherlock's apparent love Kwll, basically being convinced he's town since he showed up.

[Idiotking]

And let me put it this way:

Cop + Bodyguard + 2 neighbors

vs

SK

vs

3 scum

is unbalanced for town.

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Vig + Bodyguard + 2 neighbors

vs

3 scum

is also unbalanced.

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Cop + Vig + Bodyguard + 2 neighbors

vs

3 scum

Is doable, but I'm admittedly leery.

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Cop + Vig + Bodyguard + 1 neighbor

vs

2 scum + 1 neighbor scum

Seems very possible.

[Konowa]

I don't think Slandaar is going to flip anything but scum. I don't think Sherlock and scum would gambit a guilty on town when we have a vig to even us out still. At this point we are just agruing different approaches to endgame. Both of which are doable. I rather proceed with my plan, as I don't trust Trollie's shot at this point. However, your plan does narrow scum pool down quicker.

[TheTrollie]

im pretty confident that idiot and konowa are town

slandaar/sherlock/kwll/toxic/jacob

I am willing to help end this day only after we discuss what the various flip options would mean.

what do we think of toxic? lots of ppl were saying that one of toxic/kinetic were scum. lets look back at that. lets look at how various flips effect our reads.

only after this discussion happens (and we hear from slandaar/sherlock) will i be willing to discuss ending this day

[kwll]

So...do we think we will hear from sherlock?

[kwll]

pawn d6

[JacobSavage]

pawn d6

[kwll]

you like my pawn there?

[kwll]

so do we think toxic could be scum?

[JacobSavage]

Wait damn it missed a row..

move: Ne2

Just for referance

e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Ne2

[toxictaipan]

Scum team is very obviously Slandaar/JacobSavage/kwll. It's evident from kwll's posting that he's comfortable scum just sitting back and playing follow the leader.

I don't understand exactly why Idiotking says to shoot kwll and investigate JacobSavage, given how everyone pretty much seems to have a town read on him. Why wouldn't you shoot the guy you are unsure about and try to confirm your more solid read? This has the added benefit of giving you an opportunity of double checking just in case your reads aren't entirely accurate. Doesn't matter much either way since they're both scum, but from a logical perspective it's not making a lot of sense.

[kwll]

how did you make a chessboard appear...
Knight to F6