@MOD – can you fix ArcAngel’s quotes in
Post 305? I’m not sure how post 153 of mine is supposed to be involved in that quote.
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Mehdi wrote: I'd have claimed when the one time I did without a hammer intent I got yelled at? Yeah unlikely and I prefer forcing a hammer intent myself.
Link to this please … I don’t think it was me in either of our common games.
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NS wrote: Vi's whole attitude this game is his townself. It just is.
Meh. I think Vi’s play is dead Null.
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Ser wrote: I haven't really had any direct games with Vi? (At least, not that I remember). But I'm more like that stalker who stalks people. And when did I say Vi is a "heavy-handed player who rules the town"? I'm stating that the "please vig AA" is the general reaction to AA's posts, but that does not mean it has to be taken by a grain of salt like mehdi took it.
You didn’t say that specifically but your “Vi’s joking” analysis is way off-base. Vi isn’t someone to strong-arm the Town Day 1 regardless of her alignment. The “AA is a great Vig Shot” posts Vi is making read to me as about as strong an push as you will see from Vi and should be taken seriously IMO.
Also you don’t get a gold star as you didn’t read the whole post. Better luck next wall!
Ser wrote: Do you think scum just wobble in the thread and make themselves obv or something?
Well that’s what you are basically saying Mehdi has done with his Johhog interactions. And then you say the following –
Ser wrote: Why is Baby chainsawing harder then Leatherface?
So not only is Mehdi obv-scum in thread but her partner BabySpice is obving it up also. I would think you believe scum do make themselves obv …
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Snowstorm wrote:
I think it was too early to judge Empire and his vote based on the fact that NS is an easy target. Actually, Johhog using that argument gave me some bad feelings about him. Easy targets can be scum too, so putting a first vote on an easy target isn't being opportunistic.
Also, easy targets are easy for a reason, the mafia don't need to rush into trying to lynch them like that, because they'll get themselves in a possible lynch position sooner or later.
As for Empire's reason, I don't remember thinking it was bad, at least for the beginning of the game when we were just getting started.
Frankly it is never too early to judge a player’s posts in a game. Scum can and do get caught on page 1. I can link you some examples if you are interested.
The bolded to me tells me you don’t get the crux of why going after easy targets is considered a scum-tell. It doesn’t have to do with the timing of votes or pushing for a quick-lynch. It is based on the premise that scum don’t want to attack higher difficulty targets if they can avoid it. And going after easy (or softer if you prefer that term) targets like NS can be indicative of that sort of mentality. And as much as Marketplace is being thrown around here you can look at Storm of Swords as an example of Scum Magna being cognizant of this and going after Twilight Sparkle (a hydra of three experienced players) strongly in part to get not be viewed as attacking easy targets (and partly because it was fun to torment Mina).
Now I don’t necessarily think that is the best case against Empire (personally I think the ArcAngel Town overkill read is much more likely good evidence of scum motivation) but it isn’t something that should just be overlooked because it came early on.
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Empire wrote: Think that's playstyle more than anything, dude. There are plenty of players who justify reads on the basis of gut/intuition and any time someone refers to a post/player as "awkward", "detached", "disengaged", etc. is certainly commenting on their tone. Surely any time someone refers to something being "genuine" or "ungenuine" is commenting on that player's tone. Don't really see how that's alignment indicative at all.
Maybe. I frankly don’t know you from Adam. Regfan (who you claimed to be a quasi-carbon copy of) does not, in my experience deal, in fluffery so that’s the standpoint I judged your posts by.
For the record – I never give one iota of credibility to any argument I see where someone says “Players X isn’t genuine / is awkward” etc as stated I find those fluffy arguments that aren’t alignment driven. If I had a dime for every time I saw that sort of stuff aimed right at Town I’d be retired very, very early.
Empire wrote: You misunderstood me. I never meant to say that I knew Vi face-to-face (does anyone?) but rather that he's one of the few people I talk to outside the game via the Internet. Hell, when the game was up in sign-ups we talked about how excited I was that he joined.
No I got what you meant. Skype / Messenger / Face to Face are synonomous in my mind as far as “knowing someone in real life”.
Empire wrote: 1. Mostly extrapolating from Konowa's FoS here and at least half of Tammy's mind being rubbed the wrong way here.
Hmm. I don’t really see either of those as very strongly saying “AA is scum” personally.
Empire wrote: MoI and Johhog, since you guys were both town this game, please let me know if there's anything wrong with this reasoning.
Frankly I’d have to really review to see if I agreed. I replaced in late Day 1, helped push through the Fujiko scum lynch quickly and NS was dead by morning. Other than properly linking Umbrage to NS via his posting I didn’t really read NS much at all. Then I died Night 2. So I don’t have a strong remembrance of his play.
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Tammy wrote: MoI - I haven't seen enough to be able to get a read on him, and wanting to see more contribution from him is one reason I didn't want the day to end right now.
Aside from me not SAD / Mehdi style spamming the thread do my posts not have enough content for you to make any sort of alignment judgement?
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
Appreciate your help!! 
