Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[Mehdi2277]

What roles have powers left to use besides me and vifam? Vifam can protect bumi/dan (or really any pair of likely town so they live) and me shoot dgb (I will not shoot mae).

[Bumi]

BT what does the puppy shit brown on Zeta and Sanjay mean?

[Vifam]

DGB would be a good shot since she's most likely the last scum on her team. The problem with that is that we will still be here discussing Maenara the next day.

[Mehdi2277]

Lean town I think

[Mehdi2277]

And me and mae can only really be dealt with by lynching one of us two or trusting us since I have no reason to shoot her.

[Alduskkel]

How about:
- Quil just randomly gives someone a hat. Maybe someone we trust, e.g. Nacho.
- Vifam protects Bumi.
- Mehdi kills DGB.

And if I recall correctly Bumi is out of JOAT abilities so there's nothing for him to do.

[buldermar]

Shooting Dgb works well for me and I think most people.

Buld I'm in the worse position here having to argue all kinds of theory on how I must be scum when one role error screwed me over. I still find having to argue not being a mafia vig to be funny.

You do realize that I no longer propose that idea, right? I'm strictly saying that there is no way you can be anything but town or SK, and I don't think the idea of you being SK is 'that' unreasonable, given that BP is also commonly associated with SK - perhaps especially in a game with this many killing roles.

Anyway, I do want to say one thing: if you 'are' town and if an error 'did' happen, I feel really sorry for your position. That's unfortunately at it affects this game a lot. I'm not in a position to decide what the correct action from the mods perspective would be, but I trust that they did their best to solve the issue in a fair manner.

[Mehdi2277]

I'd rather vifam protect one of two people just to prevent scum from killing two people instead of one (I doubt they'd go for a 50/50 chance). Outside of that night plans work and I think hat should go to s/r since they wanted it (or any character in flavor that wants hats).

[buldermar]

Mehdi should shoot DGB or Maenara. Probably DGB, since getting Mehdi to comply with the latter option is going to be difficult.

It's not going to be difficult. If we want him to shoot Maenara, we tell him to do so or get lynched - but I'm not entirely convinced that shooting Maenara is superior to shooting, for instance, DGB.

[buldermar]

What roles have powers left to use besides me and vifam? Vifam can protect bumi/dan (or really any pair of likely town so they live) and me shoot dgb (I will not shoot mae).

I think at this point it's adviceable to make it at least a triplet of possible protections to balance things.

[Alduskkel]

Hat goes to S&R. Whatever. I don't care, they're just goddamn hats.

buldermar who do you want Mehdi to target?

If Vifam is going to do a 50/50 chance on protection, it should be split between Nacho and Bumi.

p-edit: triplet? We can only split up the protection so much. Who would you want to be in the triplet?

[DeasVail]

AVox, have you heard back from the mod regarding your questions?

Also, I'm really not sure about the Maenara/Mehdi thing (although I do kind of feel like lynching Mehdi), but I'm pretty sure that Mehdi should die before Maenara. (If Maenara flips town that tells us nothing about Mehdi's alignment. If Mehdi flips town it tells us Maenara is town.)

[buldermar]

And me and mae can only really be dealt with by lynching one of us two or trusting us since I have no reason to shoot her.

This really isn't how things work. If you have two options:
1) getting lynched
2) shooting Maenara

then option 2 is by far better as you're a much more useful role than Maenara.

[Bumi]

How about:
- Quil just randomly gives someone a hat. Maybe someone we trust, e.g. Nacho.
- Vifam protects Bumi.
- Mehdi kills DGB.

And if I recall correctly Bumi is out of JOAT abilities so there's nothing for him to do.

This is true. That's why I gambitted. To make myself more useful lol.

[Mehdi2277]

I'd disobey you as either alignment if that was the order. If I actually was SK and I know I'm not an idiot then me doing all this for mae must be for some good reason. If I'm town I'd not want to shoot a clear.

P-edit: I'd be willing to take a 66 percent chance of killing someone if I was mafia so I don't think a triplet is a great idea (although I guess with the amount of mafia dead they might not be willing to take any risks now).

[buldermar]

- Quil just randomly gives someone a hat. Maybe someone we trust, e.g. Nacho.

NO, I WANT A HAT I ASKED FOR IT ALREADY

I promise I'll put in TONS OF EFFORT if I get a hat!!

[DeasVail]

Buld, the problem is, how likely is it that they're both town?

[Bumi]

Avox scurried back to his cockroach cave.

[buldermar]

- Vifam protects Bumi.

This one is bad. Has to be at least one of three possible people.

[Vifam]

Uh, give the hat to sunshine, she already claimed that her role has to do with hats.

[Mehdi2277]

How likely is we're both scum? Both require improbable things to be true.

Three is too much since you're more likely to kill then not if you shoot in the protect pool.

[buldermar]

I'd rather vifam protect one of two people just to prevent scum from killing two people instead of one (I doubt they'd go for a 50/50 chance). Outside of that night plans work and I think hat should go to s/r since they wanted it (or any character in flavor that wants hats).

This is my point. They're never ever going for 50/50. In effect, we're wasting "protective ability" by only "protecting" 2 people when it could have been 3 (as they're also unlikely to willingly accept a 1 in 3 chance).

[Mehdi2277]

My point is I think they'd accept the 2/3 chance of killing.

[Mehdi2277]

Although without vifam having any protection source he'll likely be killed now.

[buldermar]

buldermar who do you want Mehdi to target?

I'm still undecided because one the one hand it really sucks having to continue this discussion tomorrow but on the other it also sucks having Mehdi shooting Maenara if both are town. Bleh.