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[Bumi]

Appropriate.

!

babblings below

The mentally basically is, "I am town, so why would a fellow townie push so hard for my lynch?"

This is really very bad in my opinion.

It is more that your reads are different from most other players that have stated reads. And there is a connection to where you have played before. Do you read threads in the Mafia Discussion forum?

When you said this, which reads were different?

I'm not afraid to say my suspicions. Are you? Is there an underlying thought process that people who have different reads are more likely scum? You seem to be getting at that point without ever really raising it.

So come off it. Tell me. Why are you really asking these questions?

I played mafia on a different site for about the past 6 months. It is a different language so I never bother linking anyone to it. It also contains sensitive information that I would rather not share with the general populus.

Ummm, you may not care where people are from, but that is de-facto where your reads are. Maybe you are seeing this other site's meta as scummy, or maybe it is something else, but you have a scumlist that just so happens to include everyone from this other site. That would be quite the coincidence, don't you think?

Would he not be scummy by his own admission if the other site's meta is scummy as you say?

Or maybe he knows how to read them better and they are not following their traditional town play?

Why are you applying paranoia to his scumlist when you should be applying veracity to it?

Who is more legitimate and likely to be accurate of reads - a person who never played on their site, or a person who knows their meta?

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Jacob is scummier than I remember.

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Can someone tell me how this post doesn't strike some as so null it's scummy?

Hmm? Run that one by me again.

Slowly.

Let me get this straight. You voted me when you didn't think I was scum before? Nice. You didn't like your vote on me before, but voted for me anyway? Nice. Don't say I put words in your mouth, because you said it all in that last sentence (which I bolded just so you would make sure not to miss it).

Mountains...
...mole hills
This poem
an ode
to
you

If most people are like me, they probably got their role pm and went: "wait, this game _actually is_ about cars and such?" and maybe interest waned.

I think it is due to the different atmosphere of this site compared to the other site so many of the original players were from.

Parama is either TOWN or SCUM TRYHARD MODE.

You think he is trying? He is barely there in my opinion.

I guess his earlier posting...

Absolutely no reason scum Camo wasn't voting Scum Thez with that. And Im not sold on Camo's scumminess anyhow. Looks too derp.

Bang. There's a lil' piece of meta of unseencamo not being as derp as he's being here. He does think his actions through; here it looks like he got more shit for a vote than he thought he would, then embraced the "oh I'm just bad" play with the bullshit Thez vote. And it's the derp facade that camo utilized in order to hop onto thez that tells me that he isn't bussing.

Zitfe replaced camo, Idiotking replaced bride. Both are scum.
Librarian is scum for his "I think thez is scum. I've been consistent about this." crap which is less pushing for scum to get lynched and more about pushing his mislynch in a way that won't get him in too much trouble.

This completely oblierated my previous thoughts that Nacho's slot was not town.

I wish we could agree about some of our reads.

I don't agree with the wagon on Sixx. I invite you all to come onto my Nhammen wagon. He isn't really doing anything to further town getting more information.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

ArcAngel9 (1): KillerApple
BirdAndBeast (1): Idiotking
Idiotking (1): The Mini-Librarian
JacobSavage (1): Jal
njoseph (3): Aj The Epic, nhammen, thezmon221
Nachomamma8 (1): Bumi
Sixx (6): Albus Dumbledore, BirdAndBeast, Parama, Nachomamma8, njoseph, killerjester
The Mini-Librarian (1): Robert2424
thezmon221 (4): ArcAngel9, Baby Spice, Ztife, PeregrineV
Ztife (2): jeck, Sixx
No Lynch (1): Darthe
Not voting (3): DayVigilante, PMysterious, JacobSavage

With

25

alive, it takes

13

players to lynch.

DayVigilante has been ejected for inactivity. Looking for a replacement. (While I'm talking about replacements, PeregrineV replaces JohnnyFarrar.)

@Mod: Will have no access for Friday 28th and Saturday 29th.

Noted.

[Aj The Epic]

Hey, is anyone else reading the same garbage that Njoseph is posting? Someone explain how anyone has been scummier than that, he hops another wagon with no reason whatsoever. I keep reading his posts thinking "What the hell are you talking about?". He is in complete disconnect and simply hoping that no one is watching him hop wagons like crazy.

[njoseph]

I could have hopped on thezmon's wagon again, but Sixx seems the more scummy 1 out of the two largest wagons.
And yes, it makes most sense to be on a large wagon, even if one is town.

[njoseph]

one referring to a person hopping on, not to a wagon

[thezmon221]

I don't agree with the wagon on Sixx. I invite you all to come onto my Nhammen wagon. He isn't really doing anything to further town getting more information.

Maybe you can join forces with us on the njoseph wagon and if there's a Vig, he can kill Nhammen for us?

njoseph what are your reads right now? Maybe we can start there.

[thezmon221]

EBWODP:

I don't agree with the wagon on Sixx. I invite you all to come onto my Nhammen wagon. He isn't really doing anything to further town getting more information.

Looked at the vote count, and it appears you're not even voting for nhammen, but rather Nacho... So...

[StrangerCoug]

SlySly replaces KillerApple. I

MAY

have the last replacement, too—I'm talking to him to double-check, though.

[SlySly]

Reading up...

[nhammen]

Yeah, I don't want this to happen.

unvote: thez

vote: Sixx

Sixx is scum. You all probably know this already, considering how glaringly obvious it is, but there you have it.

AngryMastin: I thought Heather was scum. I don't think Jal is scum independent of Heather; consider me torn on that slot's alignment. I have a strong feeling njoseph is ineffectually trying to fake his town meta. AJ is probably scum too.

Don't like this post. New vote saying Sixx-scum is obvious, when he had literally not mentioned a read on Sixx before this. Strange meta-faking paranoia. Lumping AJ in for no apparent reason. Scummy scummy scummy.

also going to make sure that everyone caught this
"yeah i reread the thread like twice and the one guy with the largest wagon on him seems like scum. also one other guy."
nope

I agree that this looks bad, and I found the previous slotholder scummy, but I don't know for certain whether this is just bad or scummy.

I've noticed throughout the game that lots of people aren't explaining their votes when they make them. Basically all of page 3 is an example of this. This is a pet peeve of mine, because without explanations votes do not contribute to discussion.

I should also note that I am entirely in favor of policy lynching bad players on D1 so long as there isn't a vastly superior choice.

Unvote

Vote BirdAndBeast

Does not compute. Your explanation was originally a feeling that they were buddying, but then that didn't make sense, and his switch on Roger, and his accepting of sheep. Accepting of sheep is playstyle and you even acknowledge this in your "playstyle meshing" comment.

The evidence you present does not match being "a vastly superior choice."

Apparently to you it does...

Okay, nhammen jumped off the KillerApple wagon. I no longer really like the thezmon wagon; I don't really abhor it, either. I am not pleased by the Ztife wagon, though. Ztife looks like null to town new player, and I think voting for him is scummy. That said, jeck has made sense to me before, and I do not want to threw out the credit I have given--I think I called him logical, but I think this Ztife wagon is an instance of wrong assumptions.

That leaves Sixx, and he's bad for being on Ztife wagon, and is not given the credit I have given to Sixx, nothing about Sixx has stood out to me as markingly, to me, townie. Markingly townie qualities is what makes the game good.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Sixx

Wow am I happy with my vote. If Ztife is scum, then this reeks of chainsawing. If Ztife is not scum, then you shouldn't be voting for Ztife. Thus, njoseph is a strictly better wagon than Ztife. The only "scummy" behavior he mentions is the vote on Sixx. What? And his mention of jeck is "hey! my reads are consistent! Look!"

Seeing that you started it, it wasn't a wagon until jeck went on it. But did you not intend Ztife to pay for his acts that may seemed to have reeked of scumminess?

Ummm... either Sixx is scum and there is no reeking of scumminess to motivate his vote, or Sixx is town and believed them to reek of scumminess. This post seems to implicitly assume Sixx is town while you are attacking him.

I don't really care about the answer.

Then why ask?

When you said this, which reads were different?

I'm not afraid to say my suspicions. Are you? Is there an underlying thought process that people who have different reads are more likely scum? You seem to be getting at that point without ever really raising it.

So come off it. Tell me. Why are you really asking these questions?

I played mafia on a different site for about the past 6 months. It is a different language so I never bother linking anyone to it. It also contains sensitive information that I would rather not share with the general populus.

Thank you for this. That helps. I will now state where I was coming from with my suspicion. There is a thread in MD about how to play as scum (I have it in my sig). If you are an alt, there is a high chance you have read this thread. Your play here seems to match what is suggested in that thread. One specific strategy mentioned is to have players who are unlikely to be lynched in your scumlist, which you have. Therefore, I wanted to know the likelihood of you having read that thread. Your answer strongly indicates that you have not read that thread, and so your reads do not indicate scum to me.

Would he not be scummy by his own admission if the other site's meta is scummy as you say?

Or maybe he knows how to read them better and they are not following their traditional town play?

Why are you applying paranoia to his scumlist when you should be applying veracity to it?

No, scummy means coming from scum. If he is misidentifying "coming from another sites meta" as "coming from scum" then this is not scummy behavior he is finding, and needed to be corrected. Mastin is a good player and that slot is probably town, and I wanted to help out. The probability that every player from that site ended up in a scum role is incredibly small. Why in the hell should I apply veracity to an almost certainly incorrect scumlist? That doesn't even make sense!

Who is more legitimate and likely to be accurate of reads - a person who never played on their site, or a person who knows their meta?

Person who knows their meta. Why ask this question?

I invite you all to come onto my Nhammen wagon. He isn't really doing anything to further town getting more information.

Honestly Bumi, I don't see what problem you are having with my play. This statement of yours isn't remotely true.

[nhammen]

EBWOP: In reply to post 527, it should be

The only "scummy" behavior he mentions is

Sixx's

vote on

Ztife

.

[Bumi]

You look town for that post.

[Jal]

Busy. I'll get to this a bit later.

[PeregrineV]

Hello all! Replacing JohhnyF. May start reading tonight, but most likely tomorrow.

[Albus Dumbledore]

My girlfriend was in a car accident today and my head is in a pretty bad place right now. I'll try to post tomorrow.

[SlySly]

Scum team A:

ArcAngel
Bumi
B&B

Scum not on team A:

NJ

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UNVOTE: whoever KillerApple was voting for

VOTE: NJ

I'd much rather lynch AA, though.

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I'll dig through tomorrow and illustrate why AA is scum. My vote will more than likely change at that point.

[Parama]

Why do you think there are two scumteams, perchance? Literally the first anyone's brought it up all game.

[SlySly]

Why do you think there are two scumteams, perchance? Literally the first anyone's brought it up all game.

There are 25 players in this game. There is going to be a high number of scum in this game. The scum group A which I defined is so obviously a team, it's painful and saddening that the town has not picked up on it before now.

NJ is obvscum, but he is obvnot in group A.

Hence, multiple scum groups.

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On another note:

Hydras are so last year. It's my belief they (hydras, not the players making it up) should be banned from games on the site that are not clearly stated as hydra games.

[Nachomamma8]

I've noticed throughout the game that lots of people aren't explaining their votes when they make them. Basically all of page 3 is an example of this. This is a pet peeve of mine, because without explanations votes do not contribute to discussion. I've beaten this horse through two games in a row though, and about half the town has done it so far, so I'm just going to have to let it go for posts up until now.

What exactly do you think will be explained in page 3 votes that will add something significant to the game?

I get the feeling that B&B's playstyle and mine aren't going to mesh at all. He apparently doesn't see appeals to emotion and buddying as scummy, but I do. Now, B&B looks scummy to me regardless of these differences, but I'm stating this here so as to hopefully keep me from biasing my read on him because of this.

You acknowledge this, then immediately vote him. I personally would have waited.

now back to something else I wanted to mention - I think its funny how many of you are able to sheep but thats about it.

I don't like how you make this vague statement in order to discourage future sheepers as opposed to calling out people specifically and attacking them for it.

thez's excitement about me flipping the game reinforces my townread on him.

I guess his earlier posting...

I sort of liked that it tapered off so quickly. But yeah, this is still try hard for Parama.

I don't agree with the wagon on Sixx. I invite you all to come onto my Nhammen wagon. He isn't really doing anything to further town getting more information.

I'll look into Nhammen tomorrow although I really like Sixx.

slysly is town, so yeah, whoever said killerapple was town is right.

[BirdAndBeast]

slysly is town, so yeah, whoever said killerapple was town is right.

That would be us.

I mean, his reads are hilariously bad if he honestly thinks that I, Mastin, treat my scumbuddies the way I've treated ArcAngel (he'd know, thanks to Discworld Mafia--busbusbusbusbus; those early posts were all mine) or even Bumi, butyeah, he's town.


Still having trouble getting my head into the game, as keeping track of replacements is getting to be a rather nasty chore. But right now, am coordinating reads with AP.
Also, I wanna take a look at all the players and their stated reads as of their last posts. See what kind of overlap there is and what patterns I can find from it--but that'll have to wait 'til after my vacation ends. Really want to try it out; it's a revamp of two separate older methods I want to merge into a new one.

[Sixx]

@Nacho - because every site that has mafia has its typical tendencies, this one sheeping is much more acceptable than others and its almost scummy to get onto a rant about it. Their's no point of me switching my vote off and placing it on somebody thats just going to sheep because to you guys its common. Not a damn one of you sees it as scummy so why would I waste the time in ranting more about it? I'll point it out vaguely on purpose, my habits would typically have me vote you off the island from that type of action once the spam-phase has finished.

[ArcAngel9]

Scum team A:

ArcAngel
Bumi
B&B

Scum not on team A:

NJ

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UNVOTE: whoever KillerApple was voting for

VOTE: NJ

I'd much rather lynch AA, though.

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I'll dig through tomorrow and illustrate why AA is scum. My vote will more than likely change at that point.

What, Is this a joke?
You know what this what scums usually do... try to make a post pretending to be scum hunting. and your post looks exactly like that...

Dont ever list the names that is scummy
State the people and the reasons to call them scum.

Now this post of yours is scummy post to me.

[jeck]

Just done re-reading the thread a couple of times.

thez is high on my scum-radar, the fact that he was been on the bandwagon for a while now with a high number of replacements/player shuffling, could be his scum buddies trying hard to shift the bandwagon. His reasonings are weak, and there are no real good reason to not lynch him other than for the sake of generating more discussion for the day. As things are at the moment knowing whether he flips town/scum would probably be the most informative to us.

I don't like this he's one of the most obvious townies we have.

59 Dumbledore, RVS

Yeah so what?

85 Attempt on roger Bandwagon
263 You also mentioned that you think B&B, njoseph, SoraAdvent, ArcAngel, Parama is scummy but you haven't make much of a case..

Basically the only good reason you've. But his defend in the other post + his latest makes him much townie.

And lastly, as per post 349/354 above, you vengeful voted on arc in an attempt to counter-wagon which you

explained it yourself

.

Looks fine to me. if he knows he's a town he strongly suspects that someone voting on him must be scum.

Also for vote's sake as replacement, my vote stands with thez for now, albeit for a different reason than the person I've replaced.

Unvote, Vote: thez

This is scummy, I think you're just feeling pressured changing your vote right now. And making up a vague case for keeping.
If you are a townie you wouldn't be that afraid.

Im keeping my vote on you.

[jeck]

changing my opinion on Dumbledore and Jal to leaning town, based on their defence of thez.

left on the scumlist: TML, Sixx and BS.

[nhammen]

And Ztife apparently.
Did you notice my post?
I'll quote it below.

Okay, nhammen jumped off the KillerApple wagon. I no longer really like the thezmon wagon; I don't really abhor it, either. I am not pleased by the Ztife wagon, though. Ztife looks like null to town new player, and I think voting for him is scummy. That said, jeck has made sense to me before, and I do not want to threw out the credit I have given--I think I called him logical, but I think this Ztife wagon is an instance of wrong assumptions.

That leaves Sixx, and he's bad for being on Ztife wagon, and is not given the credit I have given to Sixx, nothing about Sixx has stood out to me as markingly, to me, townie. Markingly townie qualities is what makes the game good.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Sixx

Wow am I happy with my vote. If Ztife is scum, then this reeks of chainsawing. If Ztife is not scum, then you shouldn't be voting for Ztife. Thus, njoseph is a strictly better wagon than Ztife. The only "scummy" behavior he mentions is the vote on Sixx. What? And his mention of jeck is "hey! my reads are consistent! Look!"