Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[buldermar]

I think the Magua thing was a PR hunt. I figured out a role that Medhi is but telling it would endanger him. Its a 3rd party role, but if I am right town can win with him.

He's already claimed BP, in addition to having a kill. You cannot possibly endanger him.

There is only one way I can think of that makes this role not OP, and I have seen types of roles like this. If I am right Medhi, has a 3rd party wincon that can be satisfied along with town interests.

He's not a survivor.

[buldermar]

Stop. Medhi's role is to protect Maenara, he is in essence a bodyguard, if Maenara is killed or lynched he Medhi loses. I have seen this role before, and I guarantee Maenara is town (because scum has to kill all 3rd party, Medhi cant kill Maenara). Medhi and town have the same goal, in essence to eliminate scum in order to prevent from dying. Dont lynch Medhi.

A lover??????

Giving Medhi the wrong rolename is fucking ruthless of the mods then if that's the case

It still could be an accident as Mehdi claims.

[DeasVail]

First, I'm really not sure about the Mehdi/Maenara issue. I can't really think of a plausible solution to the problem and don't completely like any that I've seen.

I have townreads on buldermar and S&R. I'll call Nacho town for now due to Bumi's claim (although I have seen a godfather on each team of a multiball game where they generally had different powers). I'll also trust S&R in being able to read ActionDan correctly, although if they're both scum...?

That leaves Alduskkel, DeltaWave and BT, neither of whom are that scummy to me, just less town.

My preferred order right now would probably be Delta --> BT --> Alduskkel, but I don't know. I'll give BT a quick read now, since he's the only one I haven't sorted out a read on. Yeah, he's kind of not-town and slightly scummy, things like calling me 'damn null' when I'd done some interesting stuff and calling zeta obvscum when there wasn't really much that was scummy about him are examples of things I find very slightly scummy, which is probably enough to put him equal with Delta. (I don't like his first post of this page).

And yeah, preferably don't think that I'm scum.

[Mehdi2277]

Vifam's posts are awfully flighty and detached. He seems to just post thoughts and passing remarks about anything he decides to, and I don't think that's helpful to the Town. And it's not just a lack of quantity, but the quality is pretty bad, too. There hasn't really been a shift between confirmation phase and Day 1. So I
VOTE: Vifam

Last post referring to vifam day 1:

oh my gog im being surrounded by people who

still aren't telling me the problem!

This happened when I voted Vifam, too! What is wrong with you people??

Doesn't sound like suspicion disappeared.

Day 2 mentions (there are 2 others that I don't think really show a read on vifam):

Vifam posted a thing

Maybe it's not a case but I like to think it's better than anything else right now

Vifam is currently utilising Town's greatest power! malpascp is currently the only person who isn't!

How did that suspicion ever disappear from a cop?

[buldermar]

Vifam's posts are awfully flighty and detached. He seems to just post thoughts and passing remarks about anything he decides to, and I don't think that's helpful to the Town. And it's not just a lack of quantity, but the quality is pretty bad, too. There hasn't really been a shift between confirmation phase and Day 1. So I
VOTE: Vifam

Last post referring to vifam day 1:

oh my gog im being surrounded by people who

still aren't telling me the problem!

This happened when I voted Vifam, too! What is wrong with you people??

Doesn't sound like suspicion disappeared.

Day 2 mentions (there are 2 others that I don't think really show a read on vifam):

Vifam posted a thing

Maybe it's not a case but I like to think it's better than anything else right now

Vifam is currently utilising Town's greatest power! malpascp is currently the only person who isn't!

How did that suspicion ever disappear from a cop?

Is this really why you guys think there is an inno on Vifam? There is nothing more to it? In that case I strongly suggest we lynch Vifam - or at the very least do so befpre LyLo if scum didn't kill him. He has not been protected for two nights and yet he wasn't killed. I know it

can

happen when he's town, it's just unlikely.

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah that's the inno reasoning which I find to be a strange jump of I find vifam scummy to I like vifam's posts without reasons given in between.

[Mehdi2277]

I have a feeling the more you talk about do something to him before lylo the more likely scum won't kill him. A doc isn't likely to save correctly so power wise it's not a big problem to leave alive.

[buldermar]

Yeah that's the inno reasoning which I find to be a strange jump of I find vifam scummy to I like vifam's posts without reasons given in between.

People make such jumps all the fucking time without being a cop. There is no reason to think a cop should be less likely to do so.

[buldermar]

I have a feeling the more you talk about do something to him before lylo the more likely scum won't kill him. A doc isn't likely to save correctly so power wise it's not a big problem to leave alive.

It becomes an increasingly bigger problem as the player pool decreases in size.

[Vifam]

I didn't save the last night phase

Again?!

Oh my bad, I meant the night before

[Maenara]

Then who did you save now.

[DeltaWave]

DV are you town or scum? Be honest.

[Nachomamma8]

i was gonna jump in here and yell at you guys for the av lynch, but
looks like there were actual reasons. cool.

Can we expect of you to catch fully up once your V/LA is over?

my v/la is over.
you can't expect shit though.

this was supposed to be sarcasm, but occasionally powerlynching in this game is a thing and so I don't get to catch up on my own sweet time and in my normal way
hooray

[ActionDan]

we could use mehdi's kill to test Vifam's doc.

*idea*

I have 30min-1hour minimum to play this game daily from now till feb 4. It's depressing.

Also @S+R. I was onboard the paschle wagon, Once I processed your vote on post 435 I thought it was a great reason for paschle to be scum. You already know my meta tells as scum with regard to my buddies. I would never have mentioned Paschle more than in passing and certainly would never argue with Buldar as I did when it could be preceived that I was defending Paschle.

I would like to remind everyone that suspects S+R that the vote in 435 wasn't a bussing vote. It was voting for scum with a case for the right reasons.

Now how about we trust each other and both trust BT? Circle of townie friends.

[Nachomamma8]

But to be honest that's not much of a softclaim, anyone could have said that.

"it's not much of a softclaim"
do you deny that it was a softclaim?
no. they were obvious breadcrumbs. and you see this, but ignore it anyways.

And a SK who saves someone makes sense how? Or why claim the BP part then since I did it to help philla. The main thing is she is mod confirmed town to me and if she dies something else kill me.

I don't like that Medhi is bringing any of this up.

To elaborate, for those who haven't actually read homestuck, there's only one other person preaching about subjuggulators, this guy being Gamzee. I suspected Mehdi ever since he claimed vig, which is like the most obvious SK claim ever, and if you look back, you'll find that he suddenly started buddying up to me from the time I asked him to stop clowning around.

Why d'you all think I was trying to get him lynched earlier?

P-Edit: Because if I'd claimed miller earlier, you'd have lynched me and ended the day. Why out myself earlier? What are the chances of getting investigated by a cop in a 30-player game?

VOTE: Medhi

aaaand medhi is scum
done and done

Deasvail:

I like the transparency in #372. It might be something that DeasVail as scum thought would be taken as a townie thing by the majority, but the timing is off for that sort of thing. I liked how he treated the buldermar situation; measuring up the scumclaim to others he's seen and backing off in the slow, paranoid way seemed distinctly townish to me. I liked the unexplained Cheery Dog town read since this is multiball and it would make him look like shit if he flipped scum, I liked how he treated buldermar and I arguing over calling him town (ignoring the message and scumhunting the people behind the message). #1370 was pretty baller, I liked that too. It wasn't really how people go about bussing their buddies. #2138 was actually considering malp's jailer claim and determining whether it was town or not and reached a conclusion in a way that wouldn't really get him any friends (i.e. calling his claiming process too incompetant to be a fakeclaim). Strong townread.

We all know that Deas is town (at least I hope so), and you've already pointed this out before, so why are you focusing on him?

was going through the playerlist so I would be able to strengthen my suspicions and actually be able to work with shit this game, but apparently i'm being forced to wing it

If Mehdi is scum then why did he claim that Maenara was Damara, which is easily falsifiable?

Why the fuck have people overlooked this?

because he gets some bonus for kurloz surviving
so gave his fakeclaim to maenara in the hopes that maenara was third party/scum and would just go along with it

Mehdi shoots Mae tonight as a utility kill.

...
this is fucking stupid
and i hope you have now realized why this is stupid

Holy shit a cult is actually plausible

No. Cult paranoia is useless and only serves as a detriment to town.

so can we lynch mae today?

she's been scummy as hell all game
her end-of-d4 play was not townie at all
mehdi is obviously bullshitting us and won't shoot her
there's that "mehdi knows mae is scum" theory, and kurloz being limescum makes sense flavor-wise
it's a fucking miller claim

i don't think bumi was faking; slot has read town and robocopter's iso means he'd have planned the cop result way in advance

while avoiding lynching mehdi?
no thank you

and a bunch of bullshit

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Mehdi

There is no reason for Mehdi to live past today. Directing the kill of an SK is cool and all, but we don't know whether Medhi is SK or scum, and that information can be pretty useful for determining who we lynch next. Mehdi is scum because Mehdi claimed information that is wrong. Mehdi claimed that he, as Gamzee, knew that a player in the game was Damara Megido and thus town. This information was incorrect. Damara Megido is not in the game. There has been no actual actions taken by the moderator that implies they made a mistake (and it would be a pretty big mistake, no?). I realize that Mehdi killing all of those black scum for us was cool, but they were all black scum. He still might be green scum, and green scum is the priority. If he is not green scum, he is probably an SK.

[Nachomamma8]

There is likely another black scum left. There was no reason for Sanjay to quickhammer unless his aim was to kill the powerrole that black scum had been trying to kill for his partner. This also makes Vifam essentially confirmed town.

[Nachomamma8]

If Mehdi flips Gamzee, green scum, Maenara is pretty much confirmed scum with her. Mehdi claiming Maenara is Megido and Maenara refuting this fact could be a gambit in order to get Mehdi killed so greenscum's kill can stop being redirected while Maenara comes out as likely town. Kurloz being completely innocent while Gamzee is working for Lord English doesn't really make sense. Maenara's flavor has her supposedly being confused for Gamzee and that makes her investigations return as guilty is strange, especially since she never batted an eyelash at Mehdi's claim. It also seems poor modding practice to make flavor that partially confirms a name as scum, so I doubt it's the case.

If Mehdi flips something else, green scum, I will be surprised, but Maenara will still follow as the next lynch. If Gamzee isn't in the game, Maenara's flavor makes even less sense and so Occam's razor to Maenara scum.

If Mehdi flips SK, will need to reanalyze, but Maenara isn't necessarily confirmed scum.

[buldermar]

i was gonna jump in here and yell at you guys for the av lynch, but
looks like there were actual reasons. cool.

Can we expect of you to catch fully up once your V/LA is over?

my v/la is over.
you can't expect shit though.

this was supposed to be sarcasm, but occasionally powerlynching in this game is a thing and so I don't get to catch up on my own sweet time and in my normal way
hooray

Holy fuck are you still in the game?
j/k j/k

[buldermar]

we could use mehdi's kill to test Vifam's doc.

Brilliant! We should def. do this.

[buldermar]

If Mehdi flips Gamzee, green scum, Maenara is pretty much confirmed scum with her. Mehdi claiming Maenara is Megido and Maenara refuting this fact could be a gambit in order to get Mehdi killed so greenscum's kill can stop being redirected while Maenara comes out as likely town. Kurloz being completely innocent while Gamzee is working for Lord English doesn't really make sense. Maenara's flavor has her supposedly being confused for Gamzee and that makes her investigations return as guilty is strange, especially since she never batted an eyelash at Mehdi's claim. It also seems poor modding practice to make flavor that partially confirms a name as scum, so I doubt it's the case.

If Mehdi flips something else, green scum, I will be surprised, but Maenara will still follow as the next lynch. If Gamzee isn't in the game, Maenara's flavor makes even less sense and so Occam's razor to Maenara scum.

If Mehdi flips SK, will need to reanalyze, but Maenara isn't necessarily confirmed scum.

What do you think about using Mehdi to confirm Vifam before lynching him? The order of the lynches shouldn't matter enough to give up on an essentially free confirmation. We can lynch Mehdi tomorrow instead, no?

[buldermar]

Nacho, why is Maenara wanting Mehdi lynched so badly if they're scum partners? She could have gone along with Mehdi's gambit at no loss other than being tied with respect to his alignment.

[Nachomamma8]

If Mehdi flips Gamzee, green scum, Maenara is pretty much confirmed scum with her. Mehdi claiming Maenara is Megido and Maenara refuting this fact could be a gambit in order to get Mehdi killed so greenscum's kill can stop being redirected while Maenara comes out as likely town. Kurloz being completely innocent while Gamzee is working for Lord English doesn't really make sense. Maenara's flavor has her supposedly being confused for Gamzee and that makes her investigations return as guilty is strange, especially since she never batted an eyelash at Mehdi's claim. It also seems poor modding practice to make flavor that partially confirms a name as scum, so I doubt it's the case.

If Mehdi flips something else, green scum, I will be surprised, but Maenara will still follow as the next lynch. If Gamzee isn't in the game, Maenara's flavor makes even less sense and so Occam's razor to Maenara scum.

If Mehdi flips SK, will need to reanalyze, but Maenara isn't necessarily confirmed scum.

What do you think about using Mehdi to confirm Vifam before lynching him? The order of the lynches shouldn't matter enough to give up on an essentially free confirmation. We can lynch Mehdi tomorrow instead, no?

Vifam having a doctor doesn't confirm him. Mehdi flipping SK confirms Vifam more than Medhi claiming to shoot Vifam and Vifam surviving would. If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

Nacho, why is Maenara wanting Mehdi lynched so badly if they're scum partners? She could have gone along with Mehdi's gambit at no loss other than being tied with respect to his alignment.

Looking at current flips, it seems likely to me that we're dealing with uneven scumteams. Green scum has crazy power so far and black scum really doesn't have anything comparable, which tells me that black scum is probably a big scumteam with a smaller greenteam. At this stage in the game, especially if Mehdi and Maenara were the last two green scum, a good hard bus would be a hell of a boon to the scumteam, especially when Mehdi is coming under a bit of pressure and it's possible he will be lynched; Maenara isn't going to be able to carry the scumteam alone unless she's stuck in a "yeah totally town pile", which probably isn't going to happen without some shenanigans going on.

[buldermar]

If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

He's either SK or town or a 3rd party alignment that wins with town.

[Bumi]

Mehdi wouldn't do that since that means he will be lynched. Helping town he can pool support for his side.