Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[buldermar]

Looking at current flips, it seems likely to me that we're dealing with uneven scumteams. Green scum has crazy power so far and black scum really doesn't have anything comparable, which tells me that black scum is probably a big scumteam with a smaller greenteam. At this stage in the game, especially if Mehdi and Maenara were the last two green scum, a good hard bus would be a hell of a boon to the scumteam, especially when Mehdi is coming under a bit of pressure and it's possible he will be lynched; Maenara isn't going to be able to carry the scumteam alone unless she's stuck in a "yeah totally town pile", which probably isn't going to happen without some shenanigans going on.

The problem is that when Mehdi flips scum, that never confirms Maenara as town, no matter how heavily Maenara bussed Mehdi. Then how does the bus have any value?

[Nachomamma8]

If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

He's either SK or town or a 3rd party alignment that wins with town.

It is impossible for Medhi to be town.
Medhi had information in his role PM stating that Maenara was Megido and was town. Maenara is not Megido, meaning Mehdi's role PM was either a lie (mods have confirmed no lying directly to players!), or Mehdi was lying and continues to lie. He tries to play it off as mod error, but no that's a bunch of bullshit. Maenara can't be scum if Mehdi is town because of Mehdi's own role PM. So either Maenara is trolling, which I seriously doubt, or Mehdi is scum and needs to die.

[Nachomamma8]

Looking at current flips, it seems likely to me that we're dealing with uneven scumteams. Green scum has crazy power so far and black scum really doesn't have anything comparable, which tells me that black scum is probably a big scumteam with a smaller greenteam. At this stage in the game, especially if Mehdi and Maenara were the last two green scum, a good hard bus would be a hell of a boon to the scumteam, especially when Mehdi is coming under a bit of pressure and it's possible he will be lynched; Maenara isn't going to be able to carry the scumteam alone unless she's stuck in a "yeah totally town pile", which probably isn't going to happen without some shenanigans going on.

The problem is that when Mehdi flips scum, that never confirms Maenara as town, no matter how heavily Maenara bussed Mehdi. Then how does the bus have any value?

Doesn't confirm, confirm, but it would put Maenara pretty solidly in the town pile. And if the town decides to go through PoE lynches for a while, this can leave Maenara in a pretty solid spot that's a far more realistic chance of winning than a Mehdi-Maenara scumteam would have if they tried to play as what would essentially be a lover pair.

[buldermar]

If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

He's either SK or town or a 3rd party alignment that wins with town.

It is impossible for Medhi to be town.
Medhi had information in his role PM stating that Maenara was Megido and was town. Maenara is not Megido, meaning Mehdi's role PM was either a lie (mods have confirmed no lying directly to players!), or Mehdi was lying and continues to lie. He tries to play it off as mod error, but no that's a bunch of bullshit. Maenara can't be scum if Mehdi is town because of Mehdi's own role PM. So either Maenara is trolling, which I seriously doubt, or Mehdi is scum and needs to die.

Ok, I agree that Mehdi is 95%+ SK. Why do you oppose the idea of controlling his kills, though?

[buldermar]

Looking at current flips, it seems likely to me that we're dealing with uneven scumteams. Green scum has crazy power so far and black scum really doesn't have anything comparable, which tells me that black scum is probably a big scumteam with a smaller greenteam. At this stage in the game, especially if Mehdi and Maenara were the last two green scum, a good hard bus would be a hell of a boon to the scumteam, especially when Mehdi is coming under a bit of pressure and it's possible he will be lynched; Maenara isn't going to be able to carry the scumteam alone unless she's stuck in a "yeah totally town pile", which probably isn't going to happen without some shenanigans going on.

The problem is that when Mehdi flips scum, that never confirms Maenara as town, no matter how heavily Maenara bussed Mehdi. Then how does the bus have any value?

Doesn't confirm, confirm, but it would put Maenara pretty solidly in the town pile. And if the town decides to go through PoE lynches for a while, this can leave Maenara in a pretty solid spot that's a far more realistic chance of winning than a Mehdi-Maenara scumteam would have if they tried to play as what would essentially be a lover pair.

That's not what's happening so that argument is backwards. What's happening currently is that both of Mehdi and Maenara are certainly getting lynched before LyLo unless Mehdi specifically flips town. In other words, their odds of winning both as individual players and as a team has decreased substantially because a) Mehdi tried to pull the gambit and b) Maenara didn't go for the gambit. Anyway, it's a WIFOM scenario that we disagree on.

[Maenara]

Man fuck conspiracy theories.

we could use mehdi's kill to test Vifam's doc.

This. This is very very good. We should do this. I'll postpone a Mehdi-lynch for that; we don't lose a day anyway, and we avoid the whole WIFOM of the "Do we lynch the claimed doc?" thing.

[Bumi]

I mainly want to lynch DW so town will actually have something to analyze should we screw up many days in a row and he coasts his way to endgame.

I am for Mehdi testing Vifam's ability but we still don't know what the remaining scum have.

[DeltaWave]

I mainly want to lynch DW so town will actually have something to analyze should we screw up many days in a row and he coasts his way to endgame.

What kind of information would you get from my flip?

[Bumi]

I mainly want to lynch DW so town will actually have something to analyze should we screw up many days in a row and he coasts his way to endgame.

What kind of information would you get from my flip?

That's exactly why I want to lynch you.

There is no information around you and I really can't be arsed to read Torg's post considering the grammar.

Leaving you to endgame is prime for mislynch if you are town. I'd rather get you out of the way now.

[DeltaWave]

Who do you think is scum?

[Bumi]

I honestly don't know. I don't have strong feelings towards anyone and I feel that pretty much 90% of the player list right now I have a town read.

Why are you so curious to know?

It is funny how you only respond once I start to apply pressure to you as well.

(ponders)

[DeltaWave]

I think you're trying to push a mislynch without actually taking a stance on it.

That would explain your logically contradictory positions. You complain that I don't give you anything to go on, then when I engage in a conversation with you, you try to twist that. Or, you could just be terrible town who doesn't recognize confirmation bias when they see it.

[Maenara]

No, he's pretty much right.

You're doing fuck all and need to die.

[Nachomamma8]

If Mehdi knows he will be lynched tomorrow and is scum, why would he help town? He wouldn't.

He's either SK or town or a 3rd party alignment that wins with town.

It is impossible for Medhi to be town.
Medhi had information in his role PM stating that Maenara was Megido and was town. Maenara is not Megido, meaning Mehdi's role PM was either a lie (mods have confirmed no lying directly to players!), or Mehdi was lying and continues to lie. He tries to play it off as mod error, but no that's a bunch of bullshit. Maenara can't be scum if Mehdi is town because of Mehdi's own role PM. So either Maenara is trolling, which I seriously doubt, or Mehdi is scum and needs to die.

Ok, I agree that Mehdi is 95%+ SK. Why do you oppose the idea of controlling his kills, though?

We aren't controlling his kills. We're telling him to shoot people that he's okay with shooting anyways.

I mainly want to lynch DW so town will actually have something to analyze should we screw up many days in a row and he coasts his way to endgame.

I am for Mehdi testing Vifam's ability but we still don't know what the remaining scum have.

Why are you for Mehdi testing Vifam's ability?

[DeltaWave]

No, he's pretty much right.

You're doing fuck all and need to die.

Bumi admits that he has no scum reads and has apparently given up on trying to find them. Why shouldn't he die?

[Maenara]

Because he's been doing stuff in the game and is not scum.

[DeltaWave]

So am I scum or not?

[DeltaWave]

I just noticed Bumi's join date, which could explain what he's doing here.

[Nachomamma8]

No, he's pretty much right.

You're doing fuck all and need to die.

Bumi admits that he has no scum reads and has apparently given up on trying to find them. Why shouldn't he die?

What did you think about his claim?

[DeltaWave]

You mean the retarded gambit that got our watcher lynched?

[Nachomamma8]

You call it a gambit. Was it a scum-motivated gambit or a town-motivated gambit? Why?

[DeltaWave]

It looks like a scum-motivated attempt to kill off a watcher. Now that I'm re-reading those posts it's very likely Bumi is black scum JOAT.

[Nachomamma8]

Do you think that he's telling the truth about his abilities or not?

[DeltaWave]

I don't know

[Nachomamma8]

I asked for thoughts, not facts.