Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[Sunshine and Rainbows]

I'm ignoring the theory that we should test the doctor because it are dumb, also Medhi should already believe in the doctor because it's the only way there could be so little kills if Mehdi is really an extra vig.

[Mehdi2277]

We have an odd number of players. If you want to argue how powerful roles can be I've sadly given more op stuff and have seen vigs that can only kill scum more then once in the past. Scum have counters to me, they have a good amount of power, and yet a powerful town role isn't believable. A double cop has been a role that could basically clear two people per night or find one scum twice as fast (or equal two guilties which isn't likely).

P-edit: Which kills are missing? The n3/n4 ones being on me works fine. The other 1/2 I can see other reasons to not have. If vifam's a scum goon or used up rb then having less kills backs up his doc claim as well.

[Mehdi2277]

And you realize if I'm really an sk the missing kills still applies. The only time the kills become normal is something like the 1 shot scum vig theory which screws with balance too much for green to be that powerful. It'd make them have all prs.

[buldermar]

GOD. WHY AM I TRYING TO REASON WITH SOMEONE I ALREADY CONSIDER SCUM. SKÆDFmasdfask. Obviously you're trying to advocate against a) keeping Mehdi to take advantage of his kills and b) confirming Vifam. Because you're scum.

Since when did you think we were scum until now?

I don't want to keep Mehdi alive because his role is obviously too powerful to be town, as a redux of a scum's roleclaim in the game I just played in. I'm pretty sure with an even amount of players we don't want to use a vig shot either, in the long run it costs us a lynch. We can control a lynch better then we can control one player's kill.

Quil, I believe Manju would prefer you give a hat to Zdenek, to test his untargetability. It's something you can actually prove as opposed to just giving hats randomly.

Since that torgh or whatever he was called guy made a case on you and I started paying attention.

You're still making no fucking sense and I really can't be bothered trying to explain things once again. Plus you're scum so you may already understand but just being ignoring me.

[BT]

Nah, S&R is town.

[BT]

Okay. Doing this for the who knows what time.

Bumi is town. Nacho is town. S&R is town. Dan is town. Buld is town. Brood is a role that is pretty much not_scum. Zdenek is probably town. Quil is another not_scum role.

Alduskkel
DeasVail
DeltaWave
Maenara
Vifam

And Mehdi.

I went over the worst scenario. The list is too short. There's no danger. Mehdi could fuck us over by killing someone else (though it's really unlikely) and the win is secure as is so this is a risk with no reward.

Barring Zdenek Scum or the impossible, all of the scum are on that list, and we will have enough time to lynch all of them without ever getting to LYLO.

VOTE: Mehdi

[BT]

I'm pretty sure there's yet to be a deadline today.

[BT]

A votecount*

[quadz08]

Votecount 6.1

mehdi2277 (4): Nachomamma8, Sunshine and Rainbows, Zdenek, BT
DeasVail(1): mehdi2277
DeltaWave (1): Bumi
Bumi (0):
Alduskkel (0):
Nachomamma8 (0):
BroodKingEXE (0):
Zdenek (0):
Vifam (0):
Maenara (0):
Sunshine and Rainbows (0):
Quilford (0):
buldermar (0):
ActionDan (0):
BT (0):

Not Voting (9): DeltaWave, DeasVail, Quilford, buldermar, Vifam, Alduskkel, ActionDan, BroodKingEXE, Maenara

8 to lynch.

[Mehdi2277]

Yeah the risk only possibly comes in me not following the kill target which a. as scum costs me too much and b. as town isn't a worry. Either way it doesn't hurt to clear vifam by checking whether his power works or not with the next shot.

[buldermar]

Nah, S&R is town.

I really don't see this and it's annoying me that I can't when everyone else does.

[Vifam]

You actually read the case Torg had on S&R

[DeasVail]

Last night I dreamt that Vifam was a mafia doctor.... weird.

[buldermar]

We're AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST using a nights kill to confirm Vifam on a target that we'd otherwise have lynched. Then if you stupid fucks feel like it's not worthwhile using his kills after tomorrow, fine, you wont hear a complain. But I really want us to use him to confirm Vifam.

[buldermar]

You actually read the case Torg had on S&R

That and all of his other posts. At the time I thought that he was one of the few that were carefully reading the game and connecting the dots.

[Mehdi2277]

It doesn't work because of set up balance. Remaining scum are likely 1 shot rb and goon. Doc replacing goon there just gives a noticeable advantage to green scum. Either vifam is a town doc or he's a scum goon or likely used up rb.

[buldermar]

Last night I dreamt that Vifam was a mafia doctor.... weird.

Were you scum with him in your dream?

[buldermar]

Why are remaining scum a 1 shot rb? That seems really unlikely to me.

[Mehdi2277]

What was torg's case on s/r in non torg terms. I glossed over anything he wrote back when he was in the game that I saw and didn't read most of what he said day 1.

Since bumi is scum or scum have an rb to rb av during the night when bumi claimed to have targeted me (rbing bumi makes no sense back then). All x shot roles in this game are 1 shot. The last green scum pr has to be weak for green and black to be balanced. All together green 1 shot used up rb + green goon is likely the remaining mafia.

[ActionDan]

Why are remaining scum a 1 shot rb? That seems really unlikely to me.

If they aren't then Bumi is scum.

[buldermar]

Why are remaining scum a 1 shot rb? That seems really unlikely to me.

If they aren't then Bumi is scum.

That's just even more reason to try out the theory - we're guaranteed to confirm at least one of Vifam and Bumi.

[BT]

Buld, I've played plenty of games with both heads and so has Dan. You're just going to have to trust us on this one.

And I keep telling myself now that leaving Mehdi alive for this test is a hassle for all the things that can go wrong but dammit, I'm thinking there IS no way for scum to stop the test and it'd be a waste not to at least TRY.

Remind me who you think should be the alt. lynch?

P-Edit: Bumi is 100% town.

[buldermar]

What am I missing here....

[buldermar]

Buld, I've played plenty of games with both heads and so has Dan. You're just going to have to trust us on this one.

Neither of you are confirmed, right? I'm not going to trust any meta analysis from a non-confirmed town at this point.

[buldermar]

Alt lynch could be one from your list:
Alduskkel
DeasVail
DeltaWave
Maenara