NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[DeasVail]

If NS is town, then it makes no difference if I'm definitely getting lynched tomorrow, but nothing is really certain about tomorrow, so it's really just a choice between getting lynched today and not getting lynched today, and you know which option I'd prefer.

[Empire]

but nothing is really certain about tomorrow

Oh believe me, if we lynch NS today and he comes back town, you are 100% absolutely getting lynched tomorrow - like, there should not even be a doubt about it.

At this point, I'm just waiting for Tammy's NS case when it comes.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

nothing is really certain about tomorrow

Umm, what can happen in a pool of VTs and a vig out of shots

Tbh DV is reading very scummy recently. His posts read so very desperate.

Pedit: Hey Empire we quoted the same part BFFs <3

[DeasVail]

One can always hope.

And then it probably doesn't matter, but if you want the game to end quickly, then lynching me is not the way to do it.

[SnowStorm]

I feel like I'm just fucking around at this point because the game's a town win no matter how we do this so whatever. It'd be pretty neat if one of DV/NS/Konowa would confess if they're soloscum so we can end this game faster but I can dream~

Scum claiming is lame. And it's not like we need them to claim, it has become so obvious that needing his claim to end the game would be insulting.

Just hammer DV already. There's no point in delaying this. We're not going to lynch NS, I'm not even going to consider it.

[Empire]

I know, I was joking mostly <_<

I already basically said I'm fine with hammering DV after Tammy puts up her case, there's really no reason to rush at the moment.

[Tammy]

Just lynch do then if people aren't even going to bother to read or listen to what I think I'm not wasting my time doing it when you're just going to lynch do anyway. If it doesn't end the game and I are up tomorrow then I'll do it, but forget it for now. If it doesn't end the game and I don't wake up just read ns and moi in conjunction with each other as I found that suspicious.

[Tammy]

So should be dv damn autocorrect.

[DeasVail]

Oh ok.

[Nobody Special]

Hey, Tammy?

You can hammer now.

[Tammy]

No.

[Tammy]

Bleh read through dv and moi/zach and dv does look suspicious. Whatever.

[Zar]

The Zars are also famous for celebrating extravagant festivities and welcome innovation. Children from the Zar Estate and adjoining lands were among the first to play with battery operated toys 85 years ago.

Day 4, Vote Count 1

DeasVail (3): Konowa, SnowStorm, Nobody Special

Nobody Special (1): DeasVail

Not Voting (3):

Empire, Tammy, Ser Arthur Dayne

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: Wednesday, January 23rd, 2013 8:45 AM New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2013-01-23 08:45:00)

Zar is V/LA until Saturday

[Empire]

Just lynch do then if people aren't even going to bother to read or listen to what I think I'm not wasting my time doing it when you're just going to lynch do anyway. If it doesn't end the game and I are up tomorrow then I'll do it, but forget it for now. If it doesn't end the game and I don't wake up just read ns and moi in conjunction with each other as I found that suspicious.

Erm, despite my lynch preference I'm willing to listen to you, ya know. I think Arthur is as well.

Going to sleep now. I'll hammer DV when I wake up tomorrow if nothing else happens.

[Empire]

Man, now that I think about it, this interaction is really awkward and shitty.

Though NS' reasoning for not giving a read on MoI is also pretty bad.

...yeah, getting stuck in waffleville now.

Sleep.

[DeasVail]

Ok, well all I have to say is that I don't agree with the townreads on Konowa really.

[Konowa]

I feel like I'm taunting you at this point, but if you really thought I was scum as Town wouldn't you try?

[DeasVail]

I think that it's most likely either you or NS.

People don't even usually listen to me when they think I'm town, so it's hardly worth it considering you're probably the lynch after NS & me anyway if you're scum.

[DeasVail]

Well it would seem my assassin was successful.

[Tammy]

did you just claim scum dv?

[SnowStorm]

Seriously Tammy?.... Please.... just end this already.

[DeasVail]

did you just claim scum dv?

Um not really no.

[Tammy]

Okay so why I think it's ns. It could totally be dv I guess, and if so this is a waste of my time, but whatever.

Arthur your reason for calling ns town, due to him putting zach at 3 over dv is naive. in this game he happily put his partner at l-1 to try to make himself look good even though we as a scum team had decided to all push for the lynch of someon else. And the next day he made his partner viable again, so he's not averse to it. I can see where it would make you think twice, but his play just feels wrong.

MoI's Post 19 looks like he's subtly defending nobody special by asking konowa why he didn't like his post while at the same time putting him down, which reads odd.

MoI didn't interact with babyspice or deasvail, and the only interaction with nobody special was to ask him if he still had empire as a scum read in Post 152? And I also kind of see his going after empire being because he went after ns early game, but he also made sure to insult ns in Post 192 but avoided giving a read on him despite ns claiming him to be so good at it. Oh wait, he did also respond to ns in Post 481. Ns had called vi strong town, and magna responded by saying that he thought vi's play was dead null. This kind of lame interaction seems a bit off as I kind of would have expected a stronger reaction, maybe even suggesting a bit of buddying like he did with empire.

Zach's Post 763 reads off with regards to ns, though it could be plausible. That was his only mention of ns, and it was I thought he was scum but his interaction with babyspice means he isn't. He gave a null on dv and arthur, which I can see why this looks incriminating for dv. I've never seen zach as scum before so I'm not sure how likely he'd null a partner, I tend to find that experienced players do (or should) give actual reads on their partners because nulling them is like a roadmap, and his read of ns is somewhat noncommittal.

Babyspice laid down a vote on nobody special first thing in Post 21 which would fit for some scums belief to make sure to show suspicion of your partner early. She doesn't really do much with it though. She then turned all her suspicion to johhog. In Post 534 she waffles on ns and says that moi has been put in a bad light along with mehdi and sad for running up easy wagons. Baby refused to give a read on moi and had some weird interaction with ns in which it looks like he's asking a question just to ask one in Post 563? In Post 596 she responds to my question about her suspects by saying johhog, ns, and sad. NS because of his nothing to fear comment, but she puts him n the middle of her suspicion list.

She doesn't mention deasvail once though, so this is odd. But if deasvail interacts with his partners the way it looks so obvious for he and zach, why doesn't he also interact with baby?

Ns first going after konowa in Post 23 looks weird. I can't imagine someone actually thinking that. He doesn't mention either baby or moi in his reads list of Post 458 and his "see what vi's read of Tammy is" looks like slight buddying. He has his throwaway question to baby in Post 562 that reads off, looks like interacting to interact. Then he refuses to give a read of moi in [/post which makes no sense whatsoever and he never responds to my follow up in [post=622] in which, incidentally I ask him about his read on baby spice for which he answers in Post 617. So, for both members of the scum team ns has been completely unable to give a read on. Also if you follow the link I provided in post 622 you will see a town ns NOT intimidated or afraid to give a read on moi. In fact, he was continually calling moi scum throughout that game, so why he's piss pants scared to do it now makes no sense. So he says in Post 718 that he's willing to vote zach or nacho, reads baby's 596 and follows the vote on her, which I could totally see as bussing and making sure he got in some early town cred by staying odd the nacho mislynch. What's weird is his Post 740 town often do engage in outlandish setup spec so I don't know where he's getting that, but then he switches to nacho in Post 749 after getting called out by Rofl and empire.

The next day he tries to revert to his empire suspicions in Post 775Post 776, but then decides he's not so scummy because of his responses to other people or saw it wasn't gaining any traction and decides to read through zach after a case had been made against him and he was at l-3. I need to point out that it already looked like it was going to be the vote of the day. The momentum was definitely heading towards a zach lynch when ns voted in Post 865, so I don't give him any credit for that.

Then comes his of all people strange attack on me in Post 997followed up by his vote in Post 998 before he votes deas, who I don't think he's even mentioned once.

I know that deas looks really scummy and seems desperate but I don't know why desperation is a scum trait over a town trait. No one likes getting lynched and I've seen town fake claim (hi snowstorm) for the express purpose of avoiding getting lynched. I don't think that dv is obvtown by any means and his interaction with zach does look suspicious. There are lots of suspicious things about him and he might be the last scum. He probably is actually, but I can't ignore the weirdness of ns either.

So I'm going to at least make this viable. Feel free to hammer dv if that's your preference and I'll feel like a dolt after. I actually think there are reasonable chances for either to be scum, but my stronger scum read is nobody special.

VOTE: nobody special[\vote]

[Tammy]

vote nobody special

Weird why didn't the vote tag work?

[Tammy]

Oh I had the slash in the wrong place.