Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh Lyman

There's plenty going on to comment on already, why do you insist there isn't?

[Human Destroyer]

Also serra is a decent wagon, her posts focus on KX's scumminess but her vote doesn't reflect that; rather it seems like she's wagoning just to wagon.

[Human Destroyer]

Er...all instances of her should be him

Whoops

[Human Destroyer]

Venrob is probably noob/derp town, misrepping your own meta when it's pretty easy for people to look at it themselves is just useless for scum to do; therefore I think he just remembered wrong or something.

[Klick]

I skimmed, but just a note: Venrob is going to be completely unreadable, and if you are correct on him, it will be based on luck.

I'm not willing to lynch him ATM.

I'll post when I have more time.

[Cheery Dog]

I skimmed, but just a note: Venrob is going to be completely unreadable, and if you are correct on him, it will be based on luck.

I think he is easier to read than for sake for something approximately on the opposite end of the spectrum, you. I just like voting him early and do believe early wagons on him allow better readability. I don't want him lynched yet either, just wagoned

[Klick]

Meh. I disagree.

He would be a good policy lynch, but I'm not feeling policy lynches right now.

[Klick]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

[goodmorning]

What I am likely to do is not scum slip, but instead change opinions and/or make mistakes. These do not make one scum; They make one human.

Changing opinions, as long as it's not a total and sudden 180, is a pretty Town thing to do if you ask me.

goodmorning out of the now 12 who have posted who's actually scummy?
~M

I'm not sure. You'll know when I've found it though. I've seen a few little things, but it all still adds up to Null.

This Ven thing is interesting, but I'm withholding a value judgement on it until it plays out a bit more.

@ newest Newbie. Spence. Look. Look. I'm going to say this, because probably nobody else will: everyone would say "I am Town" if they were going to answer, which they aren't because it is pointless because everyone would say they are Town. No-one will have a reason for saying so, either. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the site meta, so I'd suggest you glance over a game or two in your spare time. It'll really help you out.

@HD on the serra point: I dunno, people sometimes just forget to vote. This stage of the game, I'm not sure I'm buying a case here.

[Cheery Dog]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

So you are scum?
(I only voted you because I was hoping to get someone acting like Disturbed did in 455, I properly didn't do a good job of getting that to happen again though, not that it actually would)

[JacobSavage]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

But I feel your town....

VOTE: Klick

[JacobSavage]

Damn it cheery beat me to it.

[Cheery Dog]

You actually voted though (even if you were already voting him), your one was therefore better.

[goodmorning]

Wait wait wait.
Wait.
If I thought he was Null...
Does that make him Null?!?!?

what is this i don't even...

[Docteur Gudsight]

The reasoning about voting Venrob is sound. In his first two posts he managed to:

- Ignore the current discussion around KX, and vote for the Klick fluff wagon.
- Start explaining that he usually looks like scum when town.

KX is also guilty of the second thing.

~ Els

[serrapaladin]

Also serra is a decent wagon, her posts focus on KX's scumminess but her vote doesn't reflect that; rather it seems like she's wagoning just to wagon.

I made an argument for both KX's and Venrob's scumminess and voted Venrob. KX responded, so I gave a clarifying post. Seems like a legit reason to base a wagon on.

[CityElectric]

Votecount 1.3

Venrob (L-4):

goodmorning, Cheery Dog, serrapaladin

Klick (L-4):

Klick, JacobSavage, Venrob

Human Destroyer (L-6):

NicCage

Josh Lyman (L-6):

Human Destroyer

ArcAngel9 (L-6):

Josh Lyman

Cheery Dog (L-6):

ArcAngel9

serrapaladin (L-6):

Docteur Gudsight

Not voting (7):

Spencer22, KX

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

@Spencer22: I see you've made it to the thread. Can you send me a PM with your confirmation? I want to know whether you've read your role PM in full.

[NicCage]

Venrob planting his vote on Klick with no original input is bad.

Why is that bad?

[serrapaladin]

It's been established that self-voting is something Klick does, so Venrob's vote had the quality of an RVS vote on page 3. Rather than being constructive, his posts have been this vote and some self-meta.

[Human Destroyer]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

But I feel your town....

VOTE: Klick

Then what do you think of this?

[ArcAngel9]

Just a quick note, when I said "not that it means anything, being the norm and all" I mean that this is mafia and so everybody should be distrusted. Personally, having seen HD's play style and knowing him, I trust him the most out of everybody since I have something to go off of. Though I will confess upon re-reading it, I found it scummy myself. Not sure what you mean by contrasting tones, I found it such due to the "Or at least apparently I seem that way" in combination with the aforementioned in parentheses parts, which make it seem to much like I'm trying to cover for further actions.

Though I'm not really helping my case, though I will be helping my point, I tend to just post without thinking unless specifically making a lengthy analysis of another player. As such, sometimes I'll post things which don't exactly look the best, or which contradict things I've already said or the facts. The only upside to this is that it means I'm pretty truthful. Or I could not be, and instead be scummy as hell. My only defense towards that is I'm not stupid, so if I'm scum, I'd probably be covering my tracks a little better. Uh, yeah, rather then debate myself, since it's the only thing I see to do, I'll let you people.

This post worries me. How could you trust someone straight away when the game begins before even knowing what their role could be? I know some of the players may be comfortable with the players that they have played mafia game earlier but trusting someone blindly just because you had played few games before is a very suicidal. And you have contradicted yourself with the opening statement about everybody should be distrusted because this is Mafia. And how could be ready being in HD’s pocket.

And saying things like Not stupid, not scum is pretty stupid. And all scums have access to say that they all are pretty truthful. I am not saying you’re lying about this but it’s too soon to say anything you have said so far.. It’s like you wanted to appear that you’re venerable and want to have others believe. Just FYI. IGMEONY!!

[ArcAngel9]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

But I feel your town....

VOTE: Klick

Then what do you think of this?

I am wondering why its concerning you! so what is it with you and Klick, He kind of claimed that you guys have some mutual trust or something. so you trust him?

[Human Destroyer]

I'd like serra to answer before answering my rationale on asking the question if you don't mind.

[ArcAngel9]

Who is Serra?

[serrapaladin]

Who is Serra?

*waves*

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

But I feel your town....

VOTE: Klick

Then what do you think of this?

It's not particularly great either, but not as concerning, as Jacob has actually been making a few somewhat useful statements so far. Venrob has said to basically ignore him for the first few days, which makes me pay more attention to him.