Micro 102: Mainstream Mini-Mafia [END, CULT WIN]

[Thor665]

Have you even read half the game?

[JacobSavage]

I'm still confused about why it's me or Rach?

[Thor665]

PoE, Gut, and machismo.

[Voidedmafia]

Maybe less so for the machisimo part...but other than Mollie (or Thor himself) I find myself in agreement with Thor's PoE for today.

I know I'm town; FT's town for cop claim until proven otherwise; I don't really want to lynch HD (though I won't say he's a townread); Thor is someone that's going to need some looking at should the day last longer, but for now can be put on the backburner (barring any new happenings). So that really only leaves Rach and Jacob.

ANything else, Thor? Or are you done kneading that vote?

[Thor665]

My intention now, as when I first opined my thoughts, is to discuss the situation with FourTrouble.

Why, who do you think I should vote for right now?

[Human Destroyer]

Voided, isn't there the possibility FT was recruited or concluded Majiffy was SK through use of his own recruit ability?

[Voidedmafia]

My intention now, as when I first opined my thoughts, is to discuss the situation with FourTrouble.

Eh, must've missed that, sorry.

Voided, isn't there the possibility FT was recruited or concluded Majiffy was SK through use of his own recruit ability?

That's why I said "until proven otherwise". Right now, though, I have no reason to believe FT is a culted cop doctoring his claim to either save a potential cult-mate in me to recruit tonight or to make sure my already-culted self is extra-specially confirmed town, nor that FT is fakeclaiming such for similar reasons. Since I have no reason to believe that, nor have I seen anything that would directly contradict his claim (cc's, other PRs claiming he lied about investigating me last night, etc.), I'm inclined to think his copping of me is real and truthful.

Though, wouldn't the SK have been recruited if the recruit ability was used on majiffy? AFAIK just because Majiffy was another 3rd part doesn't mean that he can't have his wincon changed to a cult follwer's like any other town/mafia, which I think makes his claim more believable since Majiffy flipped SPECIFICALLY as just "Serial Killer". Not "Cult Follower" (or w/e that role would be called), not "SK turned Cult Follower", just "Serial Killer". And if FT is right in that his investigations turn up as only town or scum (in other words, it doesn't differentiate between mafia-scum, SK-scum, or presumably cult-scum), it would serve to make him more conftown barring him being recruited last night.

If that doesn't make sense, please ask.

Why, who do you think I should vote for right now?

I said I agreed with your PoE onto Jacob or Rach, though I think Rach would be more likely to be the cult leader, or you, but as I said you can be put on the backburner until D4.

Or we could lynch mollie but I don't think I'll get support for that if you're going to oppose me.

[Human Destroyer]

I think I get what you're saying, but if my memory serves, isn't it true that cults can't usually recruit non-town members?

[Voidedmafia]

I think I get what you're saying, but if my memory serves, isn't it true that cults can't usually recruit non-town members?

I thought cults could recruit anyone?

[Voidedmafia]

I mean, the reason they're considered bastardly is because cults literally change your wincon from "lynch mafa/outnumber town" to some form of "outnumber everyone else and/or ensure the cult leader lives" IIRC.

[Human Destroyer]

The wiki says they can't recruit Mafioso, but technically SK isn't a mafiaso

TBH I don't really know

[Voidedmafia]

I don't either. This is my first game with a cult in it.

Thor, can you and your machisimo beard help us here?

[JacobSavage]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that mafia can't be culted as they couldn't just out their team mates

[pirate mollie]

Voided, isn't there the possibility FT was recruited or concluded Majiffy was SK through use of his own recruit ability?

I pointed this out in my one or two d2 wots but his play did not match up. I think.

need to hear more from rach.

[RachMarie]

town/scum is how I got my results, why would that even matter?

It does matter. Since there are no true mafia in this game just an SK and the Cult. It would make far more sense that your reading would be town or cult with an immune on the 3rd party SK.

[Voidedmafia]

It does matter. Since there are no true mafia in this game just an SK and the Cult. It would make far more sense that your reading would be town or cult with an immune on the 3rd party SK.

It IS still possible that an SK would still show up as scum (as it technically is)

[RachMarie]

Possibly, though from the setup I would not be surprised if the SK were investigation-immune.

[JacobSavage]

I thought it was generally assumed that SKs are investigation immune but that shows how.much I know.

[RachMarie]

Had a game with an FBI agent who was the only one who could read the SK, I as the cop could not.

[JacobSavage]

I've been a psychologist that could find Serial Killers (Fun fact found him N1 and spent the rest of the game Paranoid that the Mod was toying with me, it was a Normal...)

But yeah generally this is the case I assume.

[Voidedmafia]

I thought it was generally assumed that SKs are investigation immune but that shows how.much I know.

They are not usually. You're thinking of some Opens where the Sk has that option.

I've been a psychologist that could find Serial Killers (Fun fact found him N1 and spent the rest of the game Paranoid that the Mod was toying with me, it was a Normal...)

Psychologist is usually the role that has a definitive yes/no on SKs, and SKs are actually normal (so long as there's only one), so...

[Thor665]

Most Cult in games where Cult appears have some limitations on their recruitment efforts.
I have never seen mafia (read that - any scum faction with 2+ members) able to be culted since that would functionally wipe out their entire faction because the culted member could just claim against them openly or fake a PR or 'catch' them and lulz his way to victory.
Generally town PRs are a mixed bag - in this particular setup I would tend to lean recruit immune, but I am less sure about betting on that one and would tend to support a mass claim before I really weighed in on that.

I do think we're starting to be bogged down in setup spec and forgetting the scumhunting side of things.

@Voided - you say I can be 'sorted' tomorrow.
There are seven of us alive - it is decently likely that 3 of us are cult right now.
Functionally we are in lylo (we need to lynch cult or cult wins) - so, what could be sorted about me tomorrow in any way at all?

[Voidedmafia]

You being the cult/leader.

[Thor665]

Why not try to sort that now, then?

[JacobSavage]

Because that would mean she'd have to argue with you