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[Josh Lyman]

KX is town, as in

NEVER

should be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.

As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with this.

unvote

[ArcAngel9]

II'm addressing Serra about KX

okies.. Next tiem..please quote to user post. its confusing when there is gap and the posts are not quoted accordingly.

[Human Destroyer]

NicCage can wait

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh Lyman

This guy needs to hang today

Will be back later with actual content

[NicCage]

I agree. I viewed Josh Lyman's situation as very similar to Venrob's. But now I think Josh has been called out to contribute something and he has passed up multiple opportunities to do so. I can't imagine this not being scummy.

Unvote

Vote: Josh Lyman

[Human Destroyer]

Difference being? He isn't going to say it that exact way since that makes it sound a lot less town like then he's contributing some helpful things here and there.

-snip-

HD how much does it matter to you as well (if it's dumb as scum then how does it become not dumb as town and just null?)?

To the first question: But the thing here is that serra isn't wrong (at least as far as I can tell); JS has at least attempted to contribute, and I guess he sorta has but not really.

To the second question: I imagine that, as scum, I would be a lot more careful about what I say when I say it; this screams "not being careful" to me, hence my derp town read.

Josh Lyman is scum because he completely refuses to comment on relevant things in the game.

I think KX being scum is highly relevant. Why don't you? Are you his partner?

Josh Lyman, on the other hand, has singlehandedly managed to avoid absolutely everything in the entire thread.

I don't know why I'm even typing a response to you, as you've repeatedly indicated you have absolutely zero grasp of a thing we like to call "reading comprehension," but I'm going to try anyway.

TRY READING MY POSTS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT I AM NOT AVOIDING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS THREAD.

Yes, you are. There are plenty of things besides KX to talk about, yet you've talked about a grand total of 0 of them.

Insulting me isn't going to help you get out of the hole you've dug yourself, nice try though.

KX is town, as in

NEVER

should be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.

Your reasoning is flawed, but the conclusion is probably correct.

• HD
  has been posting well, but I get the feeling he wouldn't play much differently as scum. I'll have to take a closer look at him.

I'm flattered...I think?

I agree. I viewed Josh Lyman's situation as very similar to Venrob's. But now I think Josh has been called out to contribute something and he has passed up multiple opportunities to do so. I can't imagine this not being scummy.

Unvote

Vote: Josh Lyman

This is another scummy bandwagon vote IMO, but Josh Lyman is scummier.

[Human Destroyer]

I hate quote tags

You can get the general idea though, right?

[Josh Lyman]

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

[Venrob]

K if you want 5 players in this game for reads i can give you my D1 reads (again just general gut reads)
HD town
Klick lean scum
AA9 lean town
Jacob lean town
KX town

There. Reasons (i have 2) HD town for having me contribute. If i were scum or he thinks i am (at least am leaning scum to him) then that is optimal townplay. Other than lynching me, but mislynch if i town... Yeah id say optim al townplay. Klick selfvoting is a bit odd, so thus the scum lean, and the vote.

[Venrob]

And yes i just logged on again, came uon just enough time to post last night

[Human Destroyer]

Since I have you here, what do you think of Josh Lyman, town or scum?

[Docteur Gudsight]

KX is town, as in

NEVER

should be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.

Short rant: people have never mentioned it to me as scum when I post at 4am to deal in wall wars or cases. True anyway.

Moving on, predictable serra would call it wifom (I currently feel conf biasing myself, but I still don't like it). His reads are essentially all town reads with a complete hole in scum reads.

My other half has more of a josh scum read that he can explain later for this vote: VOTE: Josh. Mine is I agree with els and serra while scummy seems less viable right now.

Nic can you elaborate on your last post a bit more?

Ven how is it scummy from klick when he's known to self vote as both alignments a lot. Or how is it worth a vote at this time compared to other wagons going on.

[Docteur Gudsight]

And the above was by mehdi.

[Human Destroyer]

^That's L-2 I think

[JacobSavage]

KX is town, as in

NEVER

should be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.

Short rant: people have never mentioned it to me as scum when I post at 4am to deal in wall wars or cases. True anyway.

I should draw line between wall wars, cases and like unprovoked reads. By anyway. majority of it time they are done by town

[Cheery Dog]

I like that wagon on Josh, but I not really a fan of how fast it is travelling.

And about Spencer.. He hasn't made any posts. Aren't we suppose to asking for Prod?

He did make one post, but it's not something we can read.
Probably a player that wasn't prepared for how much discussion we have in games.

[Venrob]

Josh? Not getting a read... Again its mainly gut, and gut isn't telling me anything... Which would mean i dont know. I need deaths/days gone by, so lynch would help, but mislynch would not soo... Debating an L-1 or not.

[Venrob]

Quite early for L-1, but... He is giving me no read so VOTE: Josh. Can I not be lynched for this?

[goodmorning]

@Josh: why are you being wishy-washy?
@Ven: why are you being wishy-washy?
@hydra: cool, ok.
@CD: I kind of agree on the Josh thing, particularly on the speed, but I like my vote where it is for similar reasoning at the moment.

@ Everyone: Sorry I've been pretty inactive here, suffice it to say another of my games is "totes blowing up" but I'll get a reads list going in the morning because I'm going to bed right now.

P-Edit: Ugh, what. Fuck it, I'm going to bed. Nobody quicklynch anyone, alright? We need the frigging discussion time and I need to feel like I'm being useful.

[Cheery Dog]

Can I not be lynched for this?

Depends if he is your partner or not, I'm thinking he possibly is

[JacobSavage]

@All, not a fan of this Josh wagon, the way it's grown suggests there's more than a few scum on it.
As a general rule, mist early D1 wagons are town just due to the nature of them.

[JacobSavage]

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

And to be fair this is a very town reaction. I mean scum would try and build some sort of defense. The way he acknowledges but also.ignores the wagon.is a very telling sign.

[Human Destroyer]

^That is

the

most flawed logic I've ever seen.

If Josh Lyman is scum I can near guarantee you JacobSavage is his buddy.

BUT THAT'S FOR LATER

[serrapaladin]

Hey Venrob, wanna comment on your meta-misrep? :/ How on earth is a null read on Josh enough to put him at L-1? Also, saying "can I not be lynched for this" is bullshit and makes me want to lynch you.

I'm not a massive fan of the Josh wagon, since the majority of reasons seem to be that he should be doing better than just looking null.

Jacob's town read on Josh (both 194 and 195) is some more sweet sweet WIFOM.

[Human Destroyer]

...no, he's scummy. Where did I say he was null?

He's avoided current events in game and completely denied doing so. That's pretty damn scummy if you ask me.

[Docteur Gudsight]

My other half has more of a josh scum read that he can explain later for this vote: VOTE: Josh. Mine is I agree with els and serra while scummy seems less viable right now.

Let's list Jacob posts:
#6: Random Vote
#69: Filler post "nothing to say, let's not discuss anything"
#118: Requests for KX to contribute, and stop discussing about himself. Claims KX behaviour is scummy.
#120: "Oops i forgot to vote"
#122: "Cherry Dog disagree about my scumread on KX, and is very wrong"
#159: Requests for KX to contribute, and stop discussing about himself. Claims KX behaviour is scummy. Says he isn't avoiding what's happening in the thread
#161: Says KX speaking about himself is not contributing.

There's a few things I find very wrong about this:

1) He is accusing KX of not contributing, despite having himself not contributed anything.
2) I'm disliking his way of asking KX to scumhunt, but calling him scum. If he was thinking that KX was scum, what's the point of writing in all caps, multiple times, "STOP BEING SCUM AND BE A GOOD TOWNIE THAT CONTRIBUTES".

Quite early for L-1, but... He is giving me no read so VOTE: Josh. Can I not be lynched for this?

What the fuck is that? A L-1 vote on a null read?

Unvote.

Consider we still have a ghost vote on Josh, but I would be

extremely disappointed

if someone randomly hammers with a reason as good as Venrob's one. So, better safe than sorry.

This is another scummy bandwagon vote IMO, but Josh Lyman is scummier.

Are you feeling confident about the Josh wagon building so fast, with bad/scummy reasoning?

(note: if you feel like you are asking many questions to you, let's say it's because we are quite schizophrenic about our read on you)

~ Els