Open 475, Twin Trap GAME OVER

[unseencamo]

@ Lincolm
I learned that you are probably a town, but a pretty clueless one. Defiantly a new member, although that is hypocritical because so am I. I mean clueless as in there is no reason to lurk or to admit to lurking as a town. Trying to justify it doesn't help.
@ HD
That's what I learned.

[Human Destroyer]

So you've learned nothing from everyone else's interactions with you and Lincolm?

At all?

[unseencamo]

@ Hiraki
My intention was that even if I am fence sitting, which is good because there is no point in have a solidified opinion, it is still better than the alternative: lurking.

[ArcAngel9]

@ Lincolm
I learned that you are probably a town, but a pretty clueless one. Defiantly a new member, although that is hypocritical because so am I. I mean clueless as in there is no reason to lurk or to admit to lurking as a town. Trying to justify it doesn't help.
@ HD
That's what I learned.

He was sounding honest, that makes him town and your reasons were pointless that makes you more scum

[Hiraki]

Fencesitting is a scum tell.

Lurking is a null tell.

No, fencesitting is much worse.

[Venrob]

I'm still here, just waiting on unseen's response >.>

@Mod: Shouldn't uct be replaced or something?

Checking in, but unreliable Internet so I'd have to phone post. Anyway Vla until Wednesday night

He is V/LA untill tomorrow night.

@Hiraki
It is from a game i read somewhere... Dont remember the exact game but i know i saw it. Most games i have seen get about 2 and a half pages a day, but if activity goes up (which the deadline is meant to promote) then the deadline will revert to normal- also the 5 days was an extension anyway. Originally it was 1 week, but i added 5 days because it was day one and usually there is discussion found on day one but it isnt as active as i expected and it is 9 players so it is only 5 to lynhc so i figured you wouldnt need those 5 days. So basically i counted on you earning an extension but you didnt earn it so i set the deadline back to normal. Will find hte part of rules where it says this.


And then 4 posts while i am trying to post.

[Human Destroyer]

He is? OK.

unseen's response doesn't really satisfy me tbh

[Venrob]

@Hiraki

7. This game will have 1-week deadlines. Day 1 will have a 12 day deadline, as it is Day 1. (5 day extension)

Note: If town is very inactive, deadline may be reduced by 5 days to be a total of the standard 1 week (day 1 is already extended by 5 days) Same goes for extensions for activity.

[Hiraki]

Most games have at

least

a two week deadline for Day 1.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23424 (10 Days for a MICRO game of 7 People)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21855 (2 Weeks for 16 Players)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21383 (2 Weeks for 14 People)

Calling 12 Days for 9 People somewhat of a gift is absolutely absurd.

In addition, the last game even shows that Page 4 is going as slow as this game. Sure--the other two are different but the other two are drastically different then normal games.

Also, just because it's in the rules doesn't make it a good rule. You basically made it so that an extension was a gift to an already suffering deadline.

Finally, you must've seen that rule literally in one or two games because I've NEVER been in a game where time was taken away. That's absurd and extremely scum-oriented.

Scum could be lurking just so that rule could go into effect.

[Venrob]

Well not taken away i actually added it before you earned it...

G2G for the night bye

[MonkeyMan576]

Was the time taken away thing approved by a reviewer?

[Hiraki]

No. This is an Open Game. Nothing is reviewed setup/game-wise.

Also, just to fact check, the little "leme take away time if I feel that everyone isn't posting enough" isn't in your rules. It's a little note that's added in the first post. I'd like a final declaration on your motives toward this and other opinions on this, thanks.

[Venrob]

Stop discussing the time thing. It was mainly meant as a way to pressure you into posting more and getting the game going (just like a vote you put on that you

intend to take off

)

As for post 111, my final declaration is in bold above.

[uctriton00]

Hello.

Unseencamo so are you saying Lincoln outright scum slipped by saying lurk?

[uctriton00]

Crap I didn't see extra pages, that question directed at post at bottom of page 1.

Need to catch up on this then more tomorrow.

[unseencamo]

@ #122
Good response.
@ Hiraki
I believe it is more scum to just pursue one person in a dogmatic way. Being open and weighing out options is a good town oriented strategy. I disagree w/ #104.
@ uctriton
Nice of you to join us.

[Disturbed_One]

Hey MonkeyMan, you're still voting Lincolm. Does that you mean you still find Lincolm suspicious? If so, what exactly about Lincolm is it that you still find suspicious?

Why did you ignore my question?

Also, I completely agree with Hiraki. Just saying.

[Tazaro]

I'm here, if anyone wants me in some capacity.

[unseencamo]

@ HD 101
No, of course not. When I have some time I will create my complete read list.

[unseencamo]

My reads as of now.

HD

He has targeted me since my skirmish with Lincolm, however he does not lack all reasoning. That being said it looks like HD is going to be that one guy that I don't like very much. Sorry. There is always one in each game, but they always turn out to be town in my short experience. I'll refer to it as DB town. And with regard to the claim of optimism in his vote, I really don't see it, all I see is less than sufficient reasoning. Off of the small amount of posts I have to draw from, instinct tells me town. Town that I don't like.

DB town

MonkeyMan576

MM has barely posted anything, and his posts are never that helpful. I need to see more from this guy. What is your opinion about HD?

Unknown

Uct

Obviously nothing to say, unknown.

Unknown

Lincolm

Reasoning can be found in previous posts.

Rather cluless town

Hiraki

I disagree with this guys push on me and his view of fencesitting. Do you want me to dogmatically vote and potentially lynch a town? Your claim that just because Lincolm is a new player he is definately prone to strange behavior is erroneous, he has been here longer than me. That being said, he does indeed actually lack the meta, but sometimes new players have experience elsewhere so you can't just always blame suspicious behavior on being a noob.

Unknown (Slightly Scummy)

Tazaro

This guy hasn't posted too much either, he did however almost buddy up with HD pretty quickly.

Unknown (Possible Slightly Scum

Damn it I have to go.... Will finish later

[Hiraki]

but sometimes new players have experience elsewhere so you can't just always blame suspicious behavior on being a noob.

This doesn't matter because mafiascum meta=/=randomforumsite meta

Besides, that's a probability. It's not like there's a decent chance of it.

[Disturbed_One]

@ unseencamo:

I completely agree on your MonkeyMan read.

How do you feel about Tazaro's reasoning for backing off your wagon? Post #63, I will link to it for convenience. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4679935

[ArcAngel9]

perhaps MM is the scum..who knows!!

[Human Destroyer]

Hi I'm here and quote walls yay. If some things are redundant, it's because I multi-quoted and just responded as I read.

Spoiler: Wall of Respondiness

Most games have at

least

a two week deadline for Day 1.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23424 (10 Days for a MICRO game of 7 People)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21855 (2 Weeks for 16 Players)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21383 (2 Weeks for 14 People)

Calling 12 Days for 9 People somewhat of a gift is absolutely absurd.

In addition, the last game even shows that Page 4 is going as slow as this game. Sure--the other two are different but the other two are drastically different then normal games.

Also, just because it's in the rules doesn't make it a good rule. You basically made it so that an extension was a gift to an already suffering deadline.

Finally, you must've seen that rule literally in one or two games because I've NEVER been in a game where time was taken away. That's absurd and extremely scum-oriented.

Scum could be lurking just so that rule could go into effect.

I'm going to have to agree with this.

@Mod: Request a deadline extension to at least 2 weeks, it is too short as is.

Was the time taken away thing approved by a reviewer?

>Open Games
>review

wat

No. This is an Open Game. Nothing is reviewed setup/game-wise.

Also, just to fact check, the little "leme take away time if I feel that everyone isn't posting enough" isn't in your rules. It's a little note that's added in the first post. I'd like a final declaration on your motives toward this and other opinions on this, thanks.

Yeah this.

Hello.

Unseencamo so are you saying Lincoln outright scum slipped by saying lurk?

Pretty clearly not what he was saying; he was calling Lincolm scum for supposed "active lurking".

Crap I didn't see extra pages, that question directed at post at bottom of page 1.

Need to catch up on this then more tomorrow.

oh ok

@ #122
Good response.
@ Hiraki
I believe it is more scum to just pursue one person in a dogmatic way. Being open and weighing out options is a good town oriented strategy. I disagree w/ #104.
@ uctriton
Nice of you to join us.

1) There was no #122 (future edit: unless you had the foresight to know about ArcAngel's post, which was IMO sucktacular), so what are you talking about here?

2) Why would scum want to dogmatically pursue one player instead of keep their options spread out? Other opinions should be weighed, but sometimes if you're confident someone is scum you don't really need to take heed of every other person's opinion.

Hey MonkeyMan, you're still voting Lincolm. Does that you mean you still find Lincolm suspicious? If so, what exactly about Lincolm is it that you still find suspicious?

Why did you ignore my question?

Also, I completely agree with Hiraki. Just saying.

I'll just nod my assent to this post.

I'm here, if anyone wants me in some capacity.

Um yeah. More scumhunting, please and thank you.

@ HD 101
No, of course not. When I have some time I will create my complete read list.

I eagerly wait. (future edit: posted already)

My reads as of now.

HD

He has targeted me since my skirmish with Lincolm, however he does not lack all reasoning. That being said it looks like HD is going to be that one guy that I don't like very much. Sorry. There is always one in each game, but they always turn out to be town in my short experience. I'll refer to it as DB town. And with regard to the claim of optimism in his vote, I really don't see it, all I see is less than sufficient reasoning. Off of the small amount of posts I have to draw from, instinct tells me town. Town that I don't like.

DB town

MonkeyMan576

MM has barely posted anything, and his posts are never that helpful. I need to see more from this guy. What is your opinion about HD?

Unknown

Uct

Obviously nothing to say, unknown.

Unknown

Lincolm

Reasoning can be found in previous posts.

Rather cluless town

Hiraki

I disagree with this guys push on me and his view of fencesitting. Do you want me to dogmatically vote and potentially lynch a town? Your claim that just because Lincolm is a new player he is definately prone to strange behavior is erroneous, he has been here longer than me. That being said, he does indeed actually lack the meta, but sometimes new players have experience elsewhere so you can't just always blame suspicious behavior on being a noob.

Unknown (Slightly Scummy)

Tazaro

This guy hasn't posted too much either, he did however almost buddy up with HD pretty quickly.

Unknown (Possible Slightly Scum

Damn it I have to go.... Will finish later

Okay let's look at this post:

What does DB stand for?

I go off whatever reasons I currently think might be scumtells. Does that mean they might end up being weak? Maybe. Does it make them fundamentally untrue? No.

I agree on Monkey.

I wouldn't say Lincolm is clueless, but I find him likely town.

I disagree with your Hiraki read in its entirety. A good townie believes in his reads and doesn't sit on the fence saying "Well maybe he's this, but maybe he's this, or

maybe

he's this..." Therefore, I think he's completely correct to be pushing you for it.

Tazaro I agree with though.

This is town flavored posting. Keep it up. However, if you have no strong scum reads, why are you not poking and prodding your weaker scum reads?

but sometimes new players have experience elsewhere so you can't just always blame suspicious behavior on being a noob.

This doesn't matter because mafiascum meta=/=randomforumsite meta

Besides, that's a probability. It's not like there's a decent chance of it.

This.

@ unseencamo:

I completely agree on your MonkeyMan read.

How do you feel about Tazaro's reasoning for backing off your wagon? Post #63, I will link to it for convenience. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4679935

I agree with this post; Tazaro backing off when called out is a pretty big scumtell.

perhaps MM is the scum..who knows!!

Scumhunt moar, thanks.

tl;dr

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tazaro

[Tazaro]

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