Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[serrapaladin]

I'm still leaning town on GM, although I'm interested to see how Jenn's case plays out.

[ArcAngel9]

Gotcha, i was confirming!!!
And your thoughts on Sera?

[serrapaladin]

Gotcha, i was confirming!!!

[Human Destroyer]

Gotcha, i was confirming!!!
And your thoughts on Sera?

Null leaning scum, although I've been questioning the read a little.

[JacobSavage]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

[JacobSavage]

Also the fact I haven't been scum in so long doesn't actually change my chances of being scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

^That's like an admission to not having read the previous 3 or so pages since goodmorning was the main topic of discussion

I like my vote

[ArcAngel9]

Also the fact I haven't been scum in so long doesn't actually change my chances of being scum.

i can't expect a better answer that and i can't tell you how true that could be... but that's not what worrying me.. I played two games with you as town and .. you seem to be different here.... its your playstyle. Why?

[JacobSavage]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

^That's like an admission to not having read the previous 3 or so pages since goodmorning was the main topic of discussion

I like my vote

I currently skim, you guys post so much

[Human Destroyer]

Even skimming, goodmorning is mentioned in like every post

It's physically impossible to forget she's in the game if you've read it

[JacobSavage]

No GM is mentioned a lot I just hadn't clicked that it was him you were talking about.

I seem to be different because it's a different set up. Also every game is different and I tend to be lazy as its early game.

Also HD there's another game you need to post in

[Docteur Gudsight]

1) Jacob is scummier.

2) Her main focus of attack is goodmorning, why wouldn't she have two scum reads?

P-Edit: @Docteur

1. Erratic votes and read swaps aren't particularly scummy. I know I swapped quite a bit as prince.

2. Two scum reads that both happen to be the last two votes for her. Not a strange choice in scum hunting? And the fact the way she referred to jacob initially sounded like a big scum read in asking why aren't people calling this obvscum (well that's how it comes out sounding) but not voting him then especially considering it came before the gm scum read really solidified so to me it appears like throwing suspicion on jacob without following onto it.

Abbreviations are a known way to trip people up (remember the two bb's confusion thing). Not immediately associating gm to goodmorning isn't strange and sounds like a confirmation bias thing on jacob.

~M

[Human Destroyer]

1) So he went from super-strong "JOSH LYMAN IS TOWN DON'T YOU DARE LYNCH HIM" to "I'll hammer" without any mention of why in between those two posts? There's a thought disconnect here and I don't like it.

2) Actually, considering the wagon on her at the time, I'm not particularly surprised at all. Post #349 looks pretty solidified to me.

Except people called her goodmorning a lot of the time? also lol the 2 BBs

[Human Destroyer]

Oh wait you thought I was talking about his association of goodmorning to GM?

Not what I'm thinking of. I'm saying that she was the main topic of discussion for 3 pages, how can he "forget" she was in the game if he actually read the game?

[Docteur Gudsight]

The more obvious thing is lack of care in appearances in flowing it. It'd take minimal effort to add flow in there and again scum are generally more internally consistent. I believe I swapped reads on you without a reason in between in that other game (backed up after that to explain it to people, but swapping is doable). Anyways jacob's reason was more along the lines I still think he's town, but a good lynch to do.

Is that a wrong link? I don't want to be held accounted for voting jacob sounds exactly like what I'm pushing on her. She goes to the extent to ask why hasn't anyone else commented on this already when it pretty recently happened, but doesn't find it enough to vote him. Likely because the read is contrived and just throwing suspicion and seeing how people accept it was the intent.

~M

[Human Destroyer]

I have an issue yay

But the reason why I was willing to hammer is 1. A lot of people had expressed opinions on him and so.would be a good information lynch. 2. I prefere to not make the mod have to try and find a L-1 slot as often they are very hard to find.

Doesn't look like he has a town read on Josh to me. Therefore, it isn't a quick switch of reads; he's made no indication that his town read has eroded at all.

That linked to the 349th post ever on this forum

I'm bad with the post tags :/ I meant to link to Jennifer's #349 obviously.

It's true, yes, but then after that he said he wanted to lynch Josh for information. Still no indication that his townread eroded.

[Human Destroyer]

Is that a wrong link? I don't want to be held accounted for voting jacob sounds exactly like what I'm pushing on her. She goes to the extent to ask why hasn't anyone else commented on this already when it pretty recently happened, but doesn't find it enough to vote him. Likely because the read is contrived and just throwing suspicion and seeing how people accept it was the intent.

Except she was attacking GM and still is attacking GM. I see what you're saying, but I disagree that it's really scummy; neither scum read seems particularly contrived, and she can only vote one at a time.

[serrapaladin]

But 357 was his retroactive justification. 315 defended a town read on Josh, 339 was willing to hammer, with no obvious reason to change in between.

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP to #440: Doesn't look like he has a

scum

read on Josh to me. Derp.

[Docteur Gudsight]

Making things flow is easy. Caring to do it isn't town really and it's normally done as a by product of read explanation, but not always when the player doesn't care. It's just not a common scum motivation. Too consistent is much worse.

@All Why has no one called them out on this behavior?

Really that's the key post in it. The weight there sounds heavier then the gm scum read without lack of vote from her if it's so major that it needs to be called out before. Not sure if we're going to make progress so the other thing I point you to is your own josh case (or the other two, but mainly your own).

P-edit: That's what I was saying. He sounds like he's ok hammering a town read because he is by the looks of it and he gave why. Info reasons.

~M

[Human Destroyer]

Except the only thing to really analyze is the wagon which, AFAIK about vote analysis, tends to get very subjective sometimes. Josh himself didn't really interact with anyone. The hammer intent does not sit right with me at all.

The thing is that Jennifer herself blows the case right out of the water so...well, we'll see as time goes on I suppose. I'm willing to wait to develop a better read on the slot.

[Cheery Dog]

I hate you all for posting so much while I was asleep and them continuing to post heaps to keep it up near the top of my bookmarks page meaning I only get to it now since I'm phone posting.
Expect a wall when I get to a computer and can actually reach everything I multiquoted in the edit window.

[serrapaladin]

I don't agree with Mehdi. Making your posts flow logically is only easy if your posts represent your genuine opinion of who might be scummy. Scum is more likely to have logical inconsistencies. It's fine to change your opinion, but you should have any kind of logically inconsistent jumps, which Jacob is guilty of.

[serrapaladin]

ebwop: shouldn't have any kind of jumps...

[Docteur Gudsight]

I don't think I've ever been pushed for logical inconsistencies as scum. I know I've made them as town simply cause it wasn't my job to look consistent if my belief changed and sometimes laziness on explanation happens.

~M