Khan's Wacky Xylbot Mafia (Mini 1418) - Game Over

[MrObvious]

BTW Void, I'm voting Katsuki now, how do my lies justify my new vote?

[Kawaii]

Kthx is on my scumlist and so are you.

Then you can explain why I'm scum, other than my "not a towntell".

All you are doing is fluffing.

And how does that make me scum?

[Katsuki]

Kthx is on my scumlist and so are you.

Then you can explain why I'm scum, other than my "not a towntell".

All you are doing is fluffing.

And how does that make me scum?

Not you you silly thing.

[Leafsnail]

Then you can explain why I'm scum, other than my "not a towntell".

You are only trying to defend yourself. It's one thing to not really engage in the game and just sortof float around but you are aggressively responding to people who question you.

What makes Katsuki's lack of scumhunting worse than Reck's?

Please explain the reasoning that went into making this post.

[Voidedmafia]

BTW Void, I'm voting Katsuki now, how do my lies justify my new vote?

They...don't.

Kat, just how many alts do you have, again?

[Kawaii]

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So I'm scum for not scumhunting, and scum for scumhunting.

Ok...

[Kawaii]

BTW Void, I'm voting Katsuki now, how do my lies justify my new vote?

They...don't.

Kat, just how many alts do you have, again?

Upwards 20 I'd guess? I remember I counted 18 once but I forget.

[Katsuki]

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So I'm scum for not scumhunting, and scum for scumhunting.

Ok...

BTW Void, I'm voting Katsuki now, how do my lies justify my new vote?

They...don't.

Kat, just how many alts do you have, again?

Upwards 20 I'd guess? I remember I counted 18 once but I forget.

didnt feel like account toggling but alas here's the posts.

[MrObvious]

It's one thing to not really engage in the game and just sortof float around but you are aggressively responding to people who question you.

Not only that, Kat has been the one calling this game uneventful and calling others into action instead of taking action.

[Zang]

!Vote MrObvious

Reasoning for my vote is below. Basically though, I think he is scummy because he has changed the motivations behind his original kthnx vote throughout the game to what is most beneficial to him at the time.

Katsuki is my second largest scumread. Posts 249, 251 and 258 are all completely horrible. Reck's lack of doing anything is almost as bad.

I'm reading both shos and TML more as town than I was previously. Shos especially, he needs to post more like he did in 260 and 262. I can understand his thought process and he seems more like town trying to develop reads rather than scum making them up. Although, I still don't really like his original vote on kthnx.

I still have a slight town read on kthnx but it is not as strong as it was before.

No I didn't. I said I didn't say it was.

So let me get this straight:

1. I ask you for the motivation behind your reasoning. In responce to this, You state that your vote could have led to reactions/discussion.

2. You claim that I was misrepping you by assuming that the motivation behind your vote was for reactions/discussion and that instead you were listing a possible outcome of not including reasoning.

3. You say that the motivation behind not including reasoning was for kthnx's reaction and that your claim that I was misrepping you was because you never said this.

This is absolutely terrible.

How is this not an obviously serious vote?

It was on page 2, you had no reasoning behind your vote and you said that he was "obviously" mafia.

I've already explained this.

No, you have not. You claim that I twisted what you originally said. However, as I explained in the rest of my quote, the context of the situation clearly favors my interpretation.

In my opinion, if he had been quick to question my vote, it would have made him appear more concerned about why I called him mafia. Waiting until someone else asked about it could make him appear more to just be joining an ongoing conversation in a casual manner.

or he could just not have been concerned about the vote at all without any reasoning.

YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE AT ALL BY BRINGING IT UP!

I completely disagree. It might seem unimportant but I think that it has been very productive as it has led to me getting a scum read on MrObvious.

I've made it perfectly clear what he did and I've made it perfectly clear what was on my mind at the time of my Kthx vote.

Clearly, you have not.

@113, I believe I did not state the scum motivation I saw behind kthx's post - obviously getting a claim? which he has done, eventually.

I think I worded that post badly. What I meant was how are his scum motivations more likely than his motivations as town?

I didn't say my vote was intended to "generate discussion", but Zang said I did.

No, I said "discussion/reactions". I clearly stated this in my posts 87, 92, 113 and 217. I included both reactions and discussion in all of my posts. I never said "generate discussion" once.

And how does that make me scum?

It is impossible for scum to scumhunt as they already know who the other scum are. Instead some try to fake scumhunting to appear like town. Others just post fluff and then WIFOM when accused of being scum, both of which you are doing now.

and scum for scumhunting.

I don't think anybody ever claimed this.

[MrObvious]

Zang, your hair splitting has produced nothing but a bad read.

[MrObvious]

I didn't say my vote was intended to "generate discussion", but Zang said I did.

No, I said "discussion/reactions". I clearly stated this in my posts 87, 92, 113 and 217. I included both reactions and discussion in all of my posts. I never said "generate discussion" once.

SMH. Semantics 101. Zang if you are not scum in this game, I will never sign up for another game you are in.

You're right, you never said "generate discussion". That came from Katsuki. However, do you think it would be productive for me to spend the next 5 pages trying to get you to admit that you , in fact, did say "generate discussion? That is exactly what you've spent the last x number of pages doing to me. You are ignoring context to start semantics battles. That is a practice of either bad town or scum.

[Katsuki]

and scum for scumhunting.

I don't think anybody ever claimed this.

I question scummy and dumb people who call me scum, get called scum for "defending".

[The Mini-Librarian]

What makes Katsuki's lack of scumhunting worse than Reck's?

Please explain the reasoning that went into making this post.

It was a question to Mr Obvious, to see if his reason for voting kat was just bullshit or not. Basically if you have a scum read on Kat for that reason imo you should have one on Reck. He doesn't.

[MrObvious]

Reck is a claimed town role. I have no reason to disbelieve his claim. Katsuki hasn't claimed anything.

[Leafsnail]

I question scummy and dumb people who call me scum, get called scum for "defending".

This is stupid. Firstly you haven't really made substantial attacks on the people you've defended yourself against - you called me stupid a lot and made vague implications that I could be scum, but dropped them when I changed my tone slightly. Secondly this playstyle would only work if you assume that somehow all scum are irresistibly drawn towards voting you.

[Kthxbye]

No, what's stupid is how slow this D1 is and how ridiculous the arguments are becoming. LET'S LYNCH SOMEBODY ALREADY!

[Shmugen]

I didn't say my vote was intended to "generate discussion", but Zang said I did.

No, I said "discussion/reactions". I clearly stated this in my posts 87, 92, 113 and 217. I included both reactions and discussion in all of my posts. I never said "generate discussion" once.

SMH. Semantics 101. Zang if you are not scum in this game, I will never sign up for another game you are in.

You're right, you never said "generate discussion". That came from Katsuki. However, do you think it would be productive for me to spend the next 5 pages trying to get you to admit that you , in fact, did say "generate discussion? That is exactly what you've spent the last x number of pages doing to me. You are ignoring context to start semantics battles. That is a practice of either bad town or scum.

The butthurt is strong in this one. The reaction is making me consider Zang's case more rather than less.

I agree that someone needs lynching and hopefully soon. I would rather lynch Reck than Katsuki, though. This is possibly the first game I've seen Katsu not do that lurky thing Katsu is known for, I'm not sure how people are basing the largest wagon on primarily this fact. If I'm missing it, do let me know. Reck, on the other hand, is probably town. For now. He's a liability. If we keep him around and he's town, scum could pop him later and potentially gain a member. Now, it's also true that Reck could get killed and come back town, effectively stopping a scum kill. I consider this working to our benefit about as likely that Reck is scum right now and picked a neat rare role from the list. Discuss.

[MrObvious]

The

butthurt

truth is strong in this one.

Fixed.

[xRECKONERx]

FYI, Zang is ALWAYS scummy/anti town

[Katsuki]

FYI, Zang is ALWAYS scummy/anti town

Yes we know that.

Any new info to offer?

[MrObvious]

Who's scum, Reck?

[Katsuki]

Kthx is on my scumlist and so are you.

Then you can explain why I'm scum, other than my "not a towntell".

All you are doing is fluffing.

And how does that make me scum?

[Voidedmafia]

BTW Void, I'm voting Katsuki now, how do my lies justify my new vote?

Actually, why would things that pertain specifically to kthnx and Zang have any bearing on why you're voting Katsuki when you haven't tried to make any connections between them? (As far as I can tell you don't mind if kthnx or Katsuki die, just so long as one does, so it's not like you're dropping a primary scumread for something lesser.)

You're right, you never said "generate discussion". That came from Katsuki. However, do you think it would be productive for me to spend the next 5 pages trying to get you to admit that you , in fact, did say "generate discussion? That is exactly what you've spent the last x number of pages doing to me. You are ignoring context to start semantics battles. That is a practice of either bad town or scum.

But contextually you have admitted that the reasons--the ones related to other players, not to why you think kthnx is scum--you voted kthnx then are actually wrong, that also made Zang's argument right, and you still haven't really tried to refute this point (unless that sarcastic-sounding confession was you actually admitting to doing this).

Plus, IIRC you were the one who called in semantics between "tried" and "can".

[xRECKONERx]

Who's scum, Reck?

Where is my vote?