NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

UberNinja · Post Post #2825 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:03 am

In post 2815, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 2814, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 2812, borkjerfkin wrote:I thought Vifam was one of the primary pushers of AA and I don't think she'd have gotten lynched without his support.

Disagree, I actually read this thread a fiar amount immediately after the flip.

ISO Vifam. Sure he supports AA9 lynch, but hes never super vocal about it. It only happened when Mhork conf-towned himself and finally Nacho, Mollie and I came over. Vifam even tried to rekindle JS support after AA9 lynch was stalling. And he was tunneling ActionDan as top scum pick.

Vifam was really flirty with the AA9 wagon but kept focusing elsewhere. I really think he was keeping it open for possible credit but trying to get attention on other things.

to me it looked like penguin made a decision at a critical time, she is the one who shifted the balance at a pivotal point in the game. it could have been arc or jacob at that point.

matt has not actively lurked from what I have noticed but jacob most definitely has

VOTE: jacob

i am banging my head against a wall

look at PV dammit

look at PV

look at PV

/inb4 majiffy comes and trolls me like I trolled him yesterday

UberNinja · Post Post #2826 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:07 am

In post 2817, AngryPidgeon wrote:Vifam didn't 'plant seeds'. He poked at AA9 a little bit, but never tried to get people to wagon her. And ACTIVELY voted JS at a really critical point. It looks like credit. It smells like credit.

Uhhh I totally agree with bork. Vifam called for an AA lynch more than a lot of people, and consistently kept bringing it up every time it kept falling by the wayside

Maybe it was for credit, maybe not (I'm leaning NOT, based on the fact that lynching a scum power role when she could have so easily gotten away with it if he'd have just shut up about it). But saying he never pushed it is dumb, especially if you read his ISO, which you clearly haven't

UberNinja · Post Post #2827 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:07 am

Actually I need to rethink Vifam based on this because this could change everything

What do you think of him, mollie? You seem to have blinders on right now

Vifam · Post Post #2828 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:14 am

In post 2742, AngryPidgeon wrote:Vifam threw out a few jabs at AA9 early on, but ends up voting ActionDan and talking about him when asked about who the best vote is. Vifam also ends up swinging to the JS wagon near the ends and then right back onto AA when it gets more steam.

Also his defenses include such atrocities as "This wagon on me is bad and isn't going to fly" and "I do X as town AND scum".

P-edit:..... We are waiting for IaI to claim a result.

PPedit: Good. Wait, what? why are you so sure he is scum again.

The only reason I was swingy was because everyone was tiptoeing around the AA lynch and I didn't care because both JS and AA were good lynches. And it's not like I was 100% sure AA was scum, I just thought she was more of a likely candidate than JS because of Om

Is there ever gonna be a moment where you don't push on me for some dumb reason

zabriel · Post Post #2829 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:34 am

If Vifam is scum he started distancing awfully early. Having a hard time seeing it.

IaI claim would be good.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2830 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:44 am

In post 2777, UberNinja wrote:
In post 2747, AngryPidgeon wrote:
Vig + 3 masons + IC VS Mafia JK is really scumsided.
There has to be another PR out there. I'd buy a cop, but then why didn't IaI get off'd last night?

what is this i dont even

What is the problem with this?

Vig doesn't exactly synergize with Mason/IC roles. ESPECIALLY if you give the scumteam a protection from the Vig shot. I built my mininormal with an Odd Vig and Mason pair in it and specifically gave the mafia team a Traitor because the town power didn't mesh well. And I would expect ~5 PRs in a game this size.

Vifam is hand waving away accusations per usual.

Vifam · Post Post #2831 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:45 am

How was my response a handwave

Vifam · Post Post #2832 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:49 am

I just outright told you why you were wrong.

The only reason why I dropped the AD lynch was because I didn't feel like it was going anywhere and the day was getting extremely repetitive.

I preferred AA over JS because I had a scumread on Om but I had no problem with either dying at that point, I was just pretty much done with the day.

Explain to me why I would bus in that situation when at that point if I didn't force some type of compromise on THAT very day, JS would have ate the lynch?

And on a mafia PR too??????

pirate mollie · Post Post #2833 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:53 am

In post 2827, UberNinja wrote:Actually I need to rethink Vifam based on this because this could change everything

What do you think of him, mollie? You seem to have blinders on right now

why do you think I have blinders on?

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2834 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:56 am

In post 2539, Vifam wrote:JacobSavage or ArcAngel I don't even care anymore, we just have to stop with this stupid circular discussions, you guys are fucking REPEATING yourselves, this day should have been over yesterday. Since he seems to have less controversy around him can we just lynch JacobSavage?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Jacob

Why did you decide to vote JS here?

Vifam · Post Post #2835 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:59 am

"Since he seems to have less controversy around him"

And then when PenguinAlien and Mollie voted AA I hopped back on because that meant you were going to vote, bringing ArcAngel to L-1 and finally bringing in a lynch

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2836 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:07 am

Less controversy? What does that even mean. I was calling the js wagon shit all day and I recall other people doing that as well. Hell, even you criticized Mozs reason for bring on it iirc.

AA had more votes and you hop over to JS whilst still talking about scum AA? :/

And ya, the PAvotewas decisive

Vifam · Post Post #2837 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:12 am

By "less controversy" I meant less people were calling it a bad lynch compared to AA, and that's 100% true, AA had some real mixed opinions from what I could gather.

So even if AA had more votes I thought the JS wagon was just easier to push and more likely to get a lynch through, so making JS the top wagon at the time didn't seem like such a bad deal when the goal was really just to get a lynch through

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2838 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:16 am

I want Nacho back to whisper sweet nothings in my ear and tell me who to vote. Except not because his Moz/AJ and prolly PV reads were off.

Vifam, what is your opinion on Bork atm?

Also, if I fake claim a Cop guilty on IaI what are the odds he'll show up to post

Vifam · Post Post #2839 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:19 am

I remember a comment ArcAngel earlier that had something to do with Brok that might change my mind if I find it, but he's pretty town to me

Vifam · Post Post #2840 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:22 am

ArcAngel wrote:Based on my reads through 1-20 pages… I see Herobrine as possible scum, followed by Vifam or Brok (Yes one of them could be possible scum).

It was this

I really doubt she put EVERY townie on this list, I'm on the list, and so is Herobrine who has already flipped town

That kind of puts Brok at a weird spot for me but I don't think it really damages my read on him since AA didn't really seem to give a fuck when it came to faking reads

Vifam · Post Post #2841 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:22 am

Jesus Christ she had me typing brok too

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2842 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:25 am

Lol, if anyone other than AA9 said "Based on my reads, I see X as scum" I would have lynched that shit so hard. But I always write her off as awkward.

You think she is likely to have listed at least one scum in her scumlist I guess?

I think I'm coming around to a Zab push again.

Vifam · Post Post #2843 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:28 am

I mean yeah, it's possible.

Not completely sold though because I think she's capable of just fosing three seperate townies

pirate mollie · Post Post #2844 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:30 am

I iso-ed arc and her new avatar gave me headache.

VOTE: majiffy

Vifam · Post Post #2845 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:38 am

Yeah I had to bail out of her ISO quick or I was gonna throw up

TheReverend · Post Post #2846 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:43 am

Thanks for the "thread open" pm. 5 pages. Sod that.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2847 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:46 am

Oh god, lets vote off AA9's new avatar today.

I really dont see the PV case. Can someone who supports that give me some bullet points? I just see PV playing more or less to what I know of town-PV.

Also as much as I enjoy Reverend, I still believe there is a good chance hes maf this game. : )

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2848 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:50 am

In post 2842, AngryPidgeon wrote:But I always write her off as awkward.

Yeah, I think awkward is the right word. Maybe 'slightly incomprehensible'?

I'm really against this JS vote. Have him request a replacement over voting an inactive spot. This policy lynch bullshit is not ideal for day 3. He replaces out or gets active.

pirate mollie · Post Post #2849 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:58 am

it isn't a policy lynch. he was actively lurking earlier. that was a vote based on in thread behaviour which even tho he was not participating he was still viewing earlier and chose to stand on the sidelines.

I absolutely HATE playing off shit like that but what is someone to do when they openly ask for his input and he chooses to not participate?

you are looking scummy right now aj