Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

You don't think even/odd night + gunsmith makes complete sense from a setup POV thereby making them all conftown? i mean the vigs obviously are and then the gunsmith if he claimed first its very very clear, if after its still pretty obvious unless scum fakeclaim what? cop, cops getting lynched first.

scum claims jailkeeper
hell, what if scum claimed doctor?

[Nachomamma8]

1394 doesn't even have a vig

what, and you think that makes your point stronger?

So, you think you can say X produce Y to support X then when I say Y doesn't support X you think I am using Y as my argument?

Scum.

you said you were conftown because it's guaranteed there's a protective role in the game
i give you three examples of mini normals without protective roles
and you're all "OH BUT THERE WASN'T A VIG IN THE SECOND LINK"
which doesn't actually take anything away from my point because those other two games still exist

[Slandaar]

its still a 1:1 trade for the gunsmith at best.

[Nachomamma8]

YOU WERE IN 1242 TOO WHAT THE FUCK

[Nachomamma8]

its still a 1:1 trade for the gunsmith at best.

how the fuck is a jailkeeper claim a 1:1 trade with gunsmith
how

[Psyche]

I'd say Town vs. Town.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 2.6

L-2

[4] Slandaar: Kwll, DeathRowKitty, Goodmorning, Kthxbye,
[2] Ztife: q21, Jennifer,
[1] q21: Psyche,
[1] KthxBye: Ztife,
[1] DeathRowKitty: Slandaar,


Not Voting: Nachomamma8,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-24 23:57:13)

V/LA: Jennifer till 19th of February
q21 till 16th of February

[Nachomamma8]

and when the fuck did you decide that massclaiming was the best thing ever, and why do you think you will see everything clearly after everyone claims? you sure as hell didn't go "FUCK YOU GUYS, -L- IS CONFIRMED TOWN" in 1242.
and why are you so crazy with "don't agree with massclaim? fucking scumbag" because it's shitty and i don't like it and shows you actually aren't using your brain
and why do you think the 1:1 trade with the gunsmith shit?

[Nachomamma8]

I'd say Town vs. Town.

if you're referring about Slandaar and I
i will strangle you

[Slandaar]

you said you were conftown because it's guaranteed there's a protective role in the game
i give you three examples of mini normals without protective roles
and you're all "OH BUT THERE WASN'T A VIG IN THE SECOND LINK"
which doesn't actually take anything away from my point because those other two games still exist

I didn't argue I was wrong I said I was biased.

OK

This is very simple;

What do you expect me to say when you are linking something and it is clearly wrong to do so?

[Nachomamma8]

were the links clearly wrong?
no they were not.
second link didn't include a killing role, other two did. your point of being conftown was proven wrong.

[Slandaar]

and when the fuck did you decide that massclaiming was the best thing ever, and why do you think you will see everything clearly after everyone claims? you sure as hell didn't go "FUCK YOU GUYS, -L- IS CONFIRMED TOWN" in 1242.
and why are you so crazy with "don't agree with massclaim? fucking scumbag" because it's shitty and i don't like it and shows you actually aren't using your brain
and why do you think the 1:1 trade with the gunsmith shit?

Well I am not conftown now ergo L wasn't there. Although I did think she was town.

You need to massclaim for it to work not individual claims, what is this nonsense?

2 vigs basically confirmable mason they can confirm each other
JK
Gunsmith

Sound legit? no, so JK or Gunsmith dies.

[Nachomamma8]

WHEN DID YOU GET SUCH A HARDON FOR MASSCLAIMING

[Slandaar]

Meta me.

You need to look far back I die n1 a lot.

[Slandaar]

In fact meta me as scum I never do it as scum.

[Slandaar]

(the reason I don't as scum is because its too good for town, towns are just bad and don't understand this)

[Nachomamma8]

and yes. i understand that you need to massclaim in order to understand everything. but it doesn't make sense why you weren't like "oh, don't lynch L right now! L will be confirmed town if we massclaim!" since you love your massclaims so much

[Nachomamma8]

no i'm not fucking metaing you
you know when you started liking massclaims
you can show yourself going crazy for massclaims in a game
or i can put you back to L-1

[Nachomamma8]

2 vigs basically confirmable mason they can confirm each other
JK
Gunsmith

Sound legit? no, so JK or Gunsmith dies.

sure it sounds fucking legit
it certainly is not obviously not legit
gunsmith: two vigs, two false positive results. basically built to be outed for no fucking reason.
jailkeeper: oh, the gunsmith outed? better protect his dumb ass. oh, now vig claimed? oh i can protect this one on odd nights and this one on even nights so i don't accidentally roleblock them! and now that they are outted, scum will probably go for the one that can't shoot tonight but can shoot tomorrow! swag.
so it's not a confirmed 1v1, and you couldn't sell that to anyone

[Slandaar]

having 2 vigs that can confirm each other; note a guilty from gunsmith does not mean the vig is lynched it just means a massclaim; is very strong. You have 2 confirmable town who can kill at night.

2 of them

[Nachomamma8]

having 2 vigs that can confirm each other; note a guilty from gunsmith does not mean the vig is lynched it just means a massclaim; is very strong. You have 2 confirmable town who can kill at night.

2 of them

this doesn't answer anything

[Slandaar]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4035893
Day 2 Massclaim led by... me.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4160045
Talking about massclaim d1 setup doesn't really count but you can see it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4203958
Massclaim day 2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4077798
Forcing it D3

Yeah I don't need to go on.

[Slandaar]

having 2 vigs that can confirm each other; note a guilty from gunsmith does not mean the vig is lynched it just means a massclaim; is very strong. You have 2 confirmable town who can kill at night.

2 of them

this doesn't answer anything

They are very very strong

You can't have 2 vigs + Gunsmith + a JK its way too much.

I explained why the vig/gunsmith combo is so strong if a gunsmith claims on a vig; both vigs claim and then we have 3 conf town d2/3 whatever.

[Nachomamma8]

Cop + Two Shot Vigilante + Jailkeeper is stupidly strong

[Nachomamma8]

Day 2 Massclaim led by... me.

in a newbie game?

Talking about massclaim d1 setup doesn't really count but you can see it.

massclaiming in an open setup is different

Massclaim day 2

then both power roles were shot over night and scum-Thor ran train on you

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4077798

and the only reason it did something amazing was tinker tailor soldier spy
so that's obviously a special case