Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[zoraster]

Nope. You're scum. The whole aggressive wild person thing worked for a while, but has shown itself. An actual town person wouldn't try this.

READ.

MY.

SIG.

I'm sorry. Does it say, "I'm allowed to act nuts to the detriment of town and yet still escape lynch" in invisible text?

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoidburg

: Is your voteless thing just a today thing or is it for the rest of the game?

READ.

MY.

SIG.

STOP STALLING

[dramonic]

Well, on the premise that Zor may have info (although previous lying is frowned upon), im not opposed to having iece claim and zoid confirm his absolute lack of alternate abilities before Zor claims.
But im still going last.

[DrippingGoofball]

dram - zor is scum.

Don't relent. Zor has no info.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Zoid has any other abilities, it would be an independent factional kill. So there's little point asking.

Iecerint can wait. You go last. Zoraster is here, and it's NOW.

[zoraster]

DGB, even if you're going to believe in your sig like it's some sort of gospel that no one can deny, wouldn't the amount of time that's gone since I've stated that I'm claiming last (which I am absolutely going to do) and now be enough for me to craft my fake claim? In any case, I am going to work. Have fun with trying to fight the game.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, even if you're going to believe in your sig like it's some sort of gospel that no one can deny, wouldn't the amount of time that's gone since I've stated that I'm claiming last (which I am absolutely going to do) and now be enough for me to craft my fake claim? In any case, I am going to work. Have fun with trying to fight the game.

You're not claiming last, you're claiming now.

[DrippingGoofball]

Paraphrasing your role PM takes seconds.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dramonic, zoraster is bluffing. He has no information at all. He's scum.

I beg you, under no circumstance, should you claim before him. Hold on to your guns.

PROMISE ME

[DrippingGoofball]

Iecerint needs to claim when he shows up.

[dramonic]

dram - zor is scum.

Don't relent. Zor has no info.

Now now, let's not be hasty. I'm not relenting, but if, for example, iece were to alter my action and i lynched zor without this info, id be very cross.
Zor has lied is a given fact, im curious in the nature of this lie.

edit: im not gonna claim before he does.

[zoraster]

Where have I lied? On my phone in the car si quick typing at a stop light: is towns only chance a no lunch crosskill at this point? I think it may be (see maguas numbers)

[zoraster]

Ps Magua autocorrected to mafia. Kinda cool.

[zoraster]

After working it out, I actually believe the only way for town to win, assuming we are in a 3:1:1 situation, is to have both scum kill each other simultaneously. Our odds for this are BEST if we lynch a non-zoraster TOWN today, slightly worse if we lynch a zoraster town today, and worse still if we no lynch.

Scum lynch is an auto-loss unless scum decide to actually kill me.

[zoraster]

anyway, probably want iec or someone to check my math on that, but as utterly crazy as that sounds, I think that's actually the best path forward.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey why don't you CLAIM since you have time to waste plotting of hypothetical scum X-kills?

[dramonic]

After working it out, I actually believe the only way for town to win, assuming we are in a 3:1:1 situation, is to have both scum kill each other simultaneously. Our odds for this are BEST if we lynch a non-zoraster TOWN today, slightly worse if we lynch a zoraster town today, and worse still if we no lynch.

Scum lynch is an auto-loss unless scum decide to actually kill me.

this assumes you are town and we're all vanilla

[zoraster]

I think it assumes I am hated townie (not just regular townie) and all of you are not town killing roles, yes. I am anxiously waiting for your vigilante claim, though.

[zoraster]

Hey why don't you CLAIM since you have time to waste plotting of hypothetical scum X-kills?

did you think my not claiming had anything to do with time? Anyway, given that the best course of action today may well be to lynch me (since assuring we lynch a town member today that's not me may not be worth the risk), you have just about zero power to compel me to claim anything but last.

[zoraster]

and they are hypothetical crosskills, but my point is that although the chance for said cross kill varies between 11% and 25% (if I'm lynched today and if i'm not lynched today, respectively), that's our only chance of a win assuming we're not actually looking at 4:1 with a vigilante here.

[DrippingGoofball]

Considering these 4 dead scumbags, I can easily imagine a weak member like a scum equivalent of a Hated Townie.

ThunderHog [Jerry Falwell], Mafia 3-Shot Bookie
Ythan [Jerry Sandusky], Mafia Roleblocker
Wyrd [Ronald Reagan], Mafia Governor
SlumberPartyBois [Xenu], Mafia Dreaming God Traitor Jack of all Trades

The Governor is tantamount to an extra NK.

That's a hugely powered scum team.

On the town side, we were even saddled by a vanillizer.

[zoraster]

EBWOP:

and they are hypothetical crosskills, but my point is that although the chance for said cross kill varies between 11% and 25% (if I'm lynched today and if i'm not lynched

but another town is

today, respectively), that's our only chance of a win assuming we're not actually looking at 4:1 with a vigilante here.

EDIT: Change in blue.

[zoraster]

are you a big believer in conspiracy theories, DGB? Just because you can imagine something doesn't make it the most likely explanation. When we are done with this game, if you are not scum and I am not scum, I think you need to reevaluate the way you think about the game. The goal isn't to once in a while be right on some crazy theory. It's to be right more often than not.

[dramonic]

now now elders, lets not get personal

[zoraster]

well in this case it's kind of relevant. Someone who believes in conspiracies is the kind of person who can convince themselves of extremely unlikely things just because they contemplated it in the first place in sort of a self-reinforcing feedback loop.

Another comparison might be to pundits who make bold predictions because people tend to remember big correct predictions but forget incorrect ones. (http://www.pundittracker.com/pages/about). In this case, maybe DGB doesn't even believe that it's likely I'm scum, but damn wouldn't it feel good if she fought all logic and was actually correct about this! If she's not, who cares? no one will remember. But being right on something like this is what scummies are built off of!