Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[Human Destroyer]

HD, What do you mean by if you die, Serra dies. How is it works. Explain?

It means if you lynch me, I want serra lynched Day 3 as compensation

And uh, yeah, serra was pushing a Jacob counterwagon to goodmorning

They're right in the votecounts you quoted

Like really this is a completely retarded defense fo serra you're making here

[Human Destroyer]

Wait fuck that means it is GM/serra/Hydra

mk

[serrapaladin]

But you agree that Jacob might be scum. How is it scummy of me to push Jacob as a counterwagon to GM?

[KX]

Seeing as how we have only a few minutes over three days from this post, it seems like we should start solidifying a lynch target, wagoning, seeing how they react or if they claim, and then letting things go from there rather then discussing this until the last second. I'll want to look over the case once again, but for now I'm leaning towards HD, as said before, so

Vote: Human Destroyer

. If I see something else while re-reading, will change.

[Human Destroyer]

But you agree that Jacob might be scum. How is it scummy of me to push Jacob as a counterwagon to GM?

Wait fuck that means it is GM/serra/Hydra

mk

Already noted that.

[NicCage]

KX, Iso serra and GM, unless you're rereading everything. I think the case is pretty strong against serra

[serrapaladin]

Nic, besides the case HD has been making, do you have any reason to believe I'm scum?

[NicCage]

Yes, I read your posts. Like I said, your D2 posts were basically just empty noise.
Also your defense of Josh while the Hydra was pushing Josh makes you look scummy to me.
I know that days ago I knew some other specific details from D1 that seemed pretty scummy, but I don't remember them anymore. If another player other than the Hydra or you wants me to go back and find those I will, but I don't really want to do the work. I'm hoping people will read for themselves and come to the same conclusion.

[Docteur Gudsight]

And uh, yeah, serra was pushing a Jacob counterwagon to goodmorning

They're right in the votecounts you quoted

Like really this is a completely retarded defense fo serra you're making here

Yeah, again you misrepresent my defense in order to push your agenda.

I'm not saying serra pushed for goodmorning. I said serra did defend the leading wagon (supposed on town), while a counterwagon was on scum.

[Human Destroyer]

No you're missing my point

You're defending him on the basis he defended someone who had a counterwagon that was on scum

My point is that he was pushing a different counterwagon which could actually be considered a counterwagon to GM

So you're defense is invalid

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: your

[Docteur Gudsight]

No it is not. When your scummate is the #2 wagon, defending the #1 wagon while pushing a #3 wagon is increasing significantly the odds of your scummate to be lynched, and is a really counterintuitive move. I don't believe serra-scum would do such a move, ergo serra is town.

[Human Destroyer]

Actually, Jacob was the #2 wagon which GM's wagon came up to meet and (eventually) surpass

So it is actually very plausible for scum-serra to go with the Jacob wagon

[borkjerfkin]

Hey all back from V/LA but drained. Will catch up tomorrow.

[Klick]

Hey all back from V/LA but drained. Will catch up tomorrow.

[CityElectric]

Votecount 2.5

Docteur Gudsight (L-3):

Cheery Dog, Jennifer, Klick

Human Destroyer (L-4):

Docteur Gudsight, KX

serrapaladin (L-4):

Human Destroyer, NicCage

NicCage (L-5):

serrapaladin

Cheery Dog (L-5):

ArcAngel9

JacobSavage (L-5):

borkjerfkin

Not voting (1):

JacobSavage

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-02-21 20:00:00).

Jennifer will be V/LA until 19-02

JacobSavage has been prodded.

[Cheery Dog]

The Josh wagon was the main one since it existed throughout day 1 (well since 1.5 - and therefore a counterwagon to the venrob wagon)

The goodmorning wagon didn't start until Jennifer replaced in, and I don't recall that much actual defence of Jenn during that time, I think there was one calling the hydra's case forcing evidence to fit the read and one question about Jacob change of heart - which is expected with that type of thing. (and it really only counted as actually because of the encroaching deadline yesterday)

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: Serra

Already explained what I didn't like about his handwavy "let's start some wagons" thing.
#920 is self WIFOM. I agree with #987 that a serra scum-flip strongly implies Jacob town.

Hydra's defense of serra summarized in #983 (and introduced earlier) IS WIFOM and HD is correct for pointing that out -- additionally I think serra's read changes and jump on the GM wagon are much more telling pieces of evidence than the fact that HD straight up defended GM yesterday: I don't know that I see scum do that to each other very often at all, even in 3+ scum games.

I also don't think hydra is scum, as I've said, I just think he has an overly simplistic view of how yesterday went down.

@ArcAngel, serra: your wagons are not happening (nor is mine). Throw support somewhere else.

[KX]

Sorry to do so, but I'm going to be going V/LA, but mainly LA, for a little over a weak. Since this will most likely be a pretty crucial vote, I'll try and if nothing else read up and place it were I think it belongs before the days end. Other then that though (not that I do anyway), don't expect me to say much.

[CityElectric]

Sorry to do so, but I'm going to be going V/LA, but mainly LA, for a little over a weak.

You have declared your V/LA to take until the 27th on your profile, is that correct?

[serrapaladin]

Also your defense of Josh while the Hydra was pushing Josh makes you look scummy to me.

So you're going on the assumption that the Hydra is also scum?

[KX]

Sorry to do so, but I'm going to be going V/LA, but mainly LA, for a little over a weak.

You have declared your V/LA to take until the 27th on your profile, is that correct?

Yes. Throughout that time I will have varying access to the internet, ranging from none at all to a few hours. Most of the time, however, I should be able to have at least a few minutes per day, and it's effective starting in an hour or so.

[NicCage]

Also your defense of Josh while the Hydra was pushing Josh makes you look scummy to me.

So you're going on the assumption that the Hydra is also scum?

Not really, I was just bringing it up. Really you're the only person I'm absolutely sure is scum, the Hydra just seems like a likely partner for you.

[Cheery Dog]

Serra's niccage vote was meant to have been a counterwagon to jacob right?

And it's still there even with the jacob wagon now completely dead. hmmm, yeah it's making even less sense.

@serra, what are your actual scum reads currently?

[JacobSavage]

Hey I'm here.
Give me a minute.