Khan's Wacky Xylbot Mafia (Mini 1418) - Game Over

[scooby]

this is like town post after town post, kastsuki, opbvious and leaf stop fighting for balance SHIT and lets compromise on one of zang or AJ

Im not leaving until deadline so yeah, pretyy plkease

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, KK told us in the signup thread that this game may not be balanced. Don't try to sell it as such.

He said it might not be balanced persay, but that Xylbot aims to make the game an EV of 50. It's both on the wiki and in the thread posted in signups.

There are basics to setup design and certain things (such as a pair of town siblings in a game with 3 mafia + SK) that would simply not exist because it wouldn't be balanced at ~50.

[Katsuki]

this is like town post after town post, kastsuki, opbvious and leaf stop fighting for balance SHIT and lets compromise on one of zang or AJ

Im not leaving until deadline so yeah, pretyy plkease

I'm on zang.

I am going off now need to finish that paper. I will check in hoepfully before deadline up.

Good luck getting these fools/scum to compromise.

[Shmugen]

Still here. Hoping for a votecount.

[Leafsnail]

AJ isn't a bad lynch, I might go for him.

And the deadline is in 20 hours, so I admire your dedication in sticking around that long Scooby.

You're either a fucking terrible player or scum, but either way all you're spewing false bullshit.

The first thing I said is demonstrably true.

||| MAFIABOT || [wacky] mafia: Godfather, Mafioso; sk: Gunman with a Conscience; town: Day Cop, Sensei, Echo, Cop, Secret Role (Robot), Mutant, Amnesiac (Elite Bodyguard), One-Shot Role Cop; wolf: Beta Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

Multiball, and an SK.

The second thing I said is also true - out of the 13 player setups generated only

one

of them involves siblings. I don't see how can from that SINGLE example conclude that there can never be a mafia sibling in a multiball game.

As for the setup, LEARN FUCKING SETUP BALANCE BEFORE YOU TALK. EVEN AS A BOT IT'S NOT GOING TO PUMP OUT SETUPS THAT GIVE TOWN NO CHANCE TO WIN WHEN THE OBJECTIVE IS EV OF 50.

You are quite simply wrong. There's the Lich SK role, for instance, which is virtually unkillable, and it's fairly common for a 6 player setup to have a lone scum with a one-shot kill (EV: 20% scum, 80% town). Xylbot really isn't remotely as smart as you seem to be assuming it is (particularly in Wacky where there's barely any balance check at all), and it

definitely

does not run any kind of EV check. I think at most it does some kind of "power points" check, but the power points assigned to each role aren't always accurate and in Wacky it's massively relaxed (or possibly completely gone?) anyway.

I also don't even see how a mafia sibling in multiball would instantly break a setup anyway.

Finally, I'm ok with you being wrong but please don't be wrong and condescending at the same time, it's really embarrassing to read!

[Leafsnail]

Also note: the SK in the quoted setup is hilariously screwed. His kill fails 50% of the time and he's surrounded on all sides by power roles. I'd put his win chance at less than 5%. Satisfied that Xylbot doesn't check EV very well yet, at least in Wacky?

[Zang]

!Vote: Aj the Epic

I really would prefer to give him more time to read and post content but we need a lynch.

@zang: It at least eliminates the possibility of Reck having the Ken Kesey role (mafia, can fake death and revive in the night).

I know. My point was that it doesn't matter. He will still be revived and still might be scum.

!unvote, vote: zang

Katsuki-

I've asked you twice already and you have completely ignored me both times. What games have I played with you that I would know your meta as scum?

Your whole case is based off of nothing.

Im gonna have to lol at myself, !vote katsuji…it is d1 and already elinination gives products. Scooby and kats are my list of possible lynches.

Why vote katsuki instead of scooby?

Okay, if I'm reading this right, I'd still be willing to lynch Kthx on that claim. Seems hollow, same as MrO's. That claim is pretty easy to be mafia. If only one kill, MrO claims a block, Kthx claims the kill... too easy, in my opinion.

Kthnx should not be lynched today. We should at least wait until tommorow to see if the mafia kill him and to see if he is actually a poisoner.

We might just get a 2 for 1 special.

No, not at all. There is no chance of them both being mafia.

"Sometimes one sibling (but not both) is mafia."

I agree, but that has nothing to do with anything considering TML is scum

This is incredibly arrogant. No matter what, you should always take into account the possibility of him being town.

sibling's differ from mason's only in the fact that the other sibling dies when they do. I don't understand drawing a connection to lover instead of mason.

I disagree with this. Masons are confirmed to eachother but neither siblings nor lovers are and masons can talk to eachother. The connection between siblings and lovers is much more apparent. However, there really is no difference between lovers and siblings in this setup.

For me, Zang is scum because he continuously is asking questions to look like content. Read the first multiple pages of this game, all we get from him are questions and "I didn't misrep MrO" (which, admittedly, he didn't).

Once again, I have no way to defend myself against this besides simply saying that it is my general playsyle.

I know zang's reading this forum right now and avoiding. If I can be posting here with a paper yet still unfinished, he can too.

I'm V/LA. I didn't have access to the internet at all today until now. I admittedly did not know that deadline was today though.

[MrObvious]

We might just get a 2 for 1 special.

No, not at all. There is no chance of them both being mafia.

From the wiki, "Sibling is sometimes used to refer to Lovers who are guaranteed to be of the same alignment."

!unvote
!vote Zang

And, you did misrep me.

[Zang]

The wiki means nothing. Look at the list of Xylbot roles (the link I posted).

"Sometimes one sibling (but not both) is mafia."

They can not be both be mafia.

[MrObvious]

You're scum and I'll prove it tomorrow.

AJ's soft claim.

[MrObvious]

I'll believe the wiki over you, Zang. You're known for twisting things.

[Zang]

look at the link, the list of xylbot roles, it's right there. You don't have to believe me at all. It's impossible for them to both be mafia.

[scooby]

You're scum and I'll prove it tomorrow.

AJ's soft claim.

how the FUCK is that a soft claim

also, Zang is right abiut the siblings, so stop

[Leafsnail]

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-20 19:12:32)

Am I the only one seeing this? It's in 20 hours. Kthx misread it.

That said I might as well switch to AJ now if the Katsuki lynch isn't taking (a lynch on him tomorrow would be good considering the unbelievable shittiness of his recent posts)

!vote: Aj_The_Epic

[scooby]

zang, I really dont want to war a wallotext with you, so in two lines I want some reasoning as to why am I scum?

[Zang]

Scooby- I'm not voting you now but fine:

Basically, You did not post any reasoning with your vote and you ignored people asking you to explain them, this makes it seems like you are scumhunting and coming to conclusions without having to do anything. You posted a case against Kthnx but did not respond to his defense and still continued to vote for him, this allows you to continue voting him even if your original reasoning is no longer valid.

I hope three lines is ok.

[Kthxbye]

Here's my compromise, I'm not moving my vote off AJ.

[MrObvious]

how the FUCK is that a soft claim

Only someone with some power will be able to prove something.

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From the Xylbot list...

"Sibling (town; common; 5+ players): If your sibling dies, you die as well.

Sometimes

one sibling (but not both) is mafia."

Sometimes doesn't mean always.

[Kthxbye]

I honestly don't care about TML, scooby, or anyone else at this point. AJ is scum and should be lynched. His soft claim is bullshit. Lynching scum is good thus lynching AJ is good.

[Zang]

MrObvious- Sometimes does mean sometimes. However, it clearly says not both can be scum

[MrObvious]

Besides, TML referred to Lover in his claim. Lover is not in the Xylbot list. If TML was referring to the Xylbot list, he would have referred to Lovestruck Townie. I'm inclined to believe he claimed sibling in the wiki sense.

[Leafsnail]

MrObvious: sometimes one sibling is mafia, the rest of the time both are town. That's definitely what it means. He was also pretty clearly using "lover" as a way to explain the role.

[MrObvious]

See 745.

[Zang]

What the hell MrObvious? If his role is a sibling, its impossible for him to be anything but the role in the Xylbot list. It doesn't matter at all what the wiki says.

[MrObvious]

If you don't want me voting you, vote TML.