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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:45 pm

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VOTE COUNT 2.11 (No actual change from the last VC mind you)


[5] Goodmorning: q21, Slandaar, Psyche, Kthxbye, Ztife,
[3] Ztife: Jennifer, Goodmorning, DeathRowKitty,
[1] Slandaar: Kwll,
[1] q21: Nachomamma8,

Not Voting:

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-24 23:57:13)

V/LA: Jennifer till 19th of February
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:55 pm

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I read it and already made you my hero, what more do you want? So did q21. We dont need drk, lead on.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:02 pm

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Oh. Right. I don't know where I was in that moment. I think I will sleep. I'll be back.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:29 am

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In post 691, Psyche wrote:Bitch, plz. (I'm so sorry for calling you that; it's not serious; just go with the roleplay; it'll be fun)

Let me 'pretty much summarize the basics of this case' as you seem to have a problem understanding it. I just made a wallpost - a fucking wallpost - laying out a case against you. And you have the nerve to say that there's barely anything around? Let me make this crystal clear.

I don't give a damn how crappy your ideas are. I've played a lot of games with very many very terrible very stupid players with very many very terrible very stupid ideas. I cannot even begin to relate to you just how frustrating these experiences have been, but I am inured. I am quite comfortable with the fact that townies can be terrible. But you aren't a townie. You are opportunistic, disingenuous "insta-frustrated" (quote tags for the 'yeah, right' effect) scum.

The fact that your reasons for voting slandaar are terrible aren't why I'm voting for you. Lots of terrible votes have happened, even in this game. I'm voting for you because you are scummy.

this block of text says nothing

In post 691, Psyche wrote:You jumped onto the Slandaar wagon for dubious reasons. It was a huge jump; you'd defended him just a couple posts beforehand. But there was a tide, and you saw a chance. Opportunism, not crap, is what attracts me to you. Who is attracted to crap? That's not evolutionarily adaptive at all. >.>

goodmorning is opportunistic

In post 691, Psyche wrote:And when confronted about this opportunism, your response has been sooo weak. It literally doesn't make sense. The principles of rationality are violated thoroughly. Why? Because you're looking for a way out but there isn't one. You can only avoid the gravity of the case by 1) avoiding the case with vague whatevertheheck674was 2) recharacterizing it to make it less threatening (post 679), and 3) AtE the hell out of everyone.

And now your AtE has been uncovered as fiction. A lie. The lie, itself, is another scumslip. You're producing bullshit to cover up bullshit.

and i didn't like how you responded to me earlier case

SO SORRY EXCELLENT CASE SO FAR SORRY FOR IGNORING IT
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:33 am

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In post 671, Psyche wrote:No, this still sucks. When a player does something you find suspicious, you always examine his supposed reason for doing it. Especially for proposing a massclaim. Because his supposed reasons for doing it are the ONLY way you can differentiate between town seriously thinking something is a good idea and scum trying to pull a fast one.

If you don't examine the justification, you are deliberately skipping a critical step in the whole scumhunting process. It doesn't make any sense.

What you're saying is also dubious. You are definitely voting Slandaar for theoretical reasons - because you think massclaiming is a bad idea, rather than because Slandaar has done something suspicious.

so goodmorning is scum for voting slandaar for pushing massclaim. okay.

In post 671, Psyche wrote:all you say about Slandaar in this post is that his theoretical argument is no good and announce that you want him dead.

oh this is saying the same thing. i guess reiteration is a good thing sometimes!

In post 671, Psyche wrote:Town suffering from a behavior =/= behavior being scummy.

That's the distinction between antitown and scummy. I'm sure you aren't ignorant of it. You are playing stupid and now backtracking from a terrible but opportunistic bandwagon.

oh... i guess... this still says the SAME FUCKING THING
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:03 am

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She is scum for saying lynching me would be a waste even when she believes I flip scum

I mean what else is there to say?
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:29 am

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can someone give a nice sweet condense (no walls) on why we are killing GM....

unvote


if it is really good I will hammer GM
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:44 am

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@Slandaar: Already addressed, .
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:01 am

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I did see that post

What could possibly be using your vote well if not to vote for scum?
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:45 am

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@kwll - You should really read the thread for yourself, but for now you can pretend to be town and hammer GM.

I started the wagon based on PoE (mostly on recent activity in thread) and VCA of the Elleran lynch. Psyche later put together a full blown case, his summation of which is quoted below for your benefit.

====[] Please.

In post 715, Psyche wrote:
Let me do the summarization thing again, and then add a few more ideas. Should I do a bulleted list? I will do a bulleted list. Bitches love bulletted lists. HOW THE HECK DO I SPELL BULLETTED?

- Opportunism (as evinced by your scantily thought out reasons for wagoning Slandaar, specifically the way they concern play quality rather than play scumminess and explicitly refuse to consider presented justifications for play which is just plain irrational)

- Crappy Response to Censure (Let's be specific!)
General Theme: "You're looking for a way out but there isn't one." (tm)
1) avoiding the case with vague whatevertheheck674was
2) recharacterizing it to make it less threatening (post 679), and
3) AtE the hell out of everyone. BONUS: With lies! (PS: I'm fine with AtE, but this is more about contributing to the general theme above. Fight
the theme, not the AtE accusation!)
4) Completely failing to properly explain what actually sensical thoughts why you think/thought voting for Slandaar was reasonable from a townie perspective

- BONUS: With lies!

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You know those times when you wish you could think of something really funny or interesting to say, but just can't?... Yep, this is one of those times.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:32 am

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We have 5 days till deadline...rereading
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:42 pm

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nacho, you don't have to read the rhetoric. It's just rhetoric. Bulletted bulleted GODAMMNIT IT.

My list. Nice, detailed, concise. A case.

The rest is just fun. Lots of unnecessary fun.
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:45 pm

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I am learning so much from this game about style.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:06 pm

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In post 758, Slandaar wrote:I did see that post

What could possibly be using your vote well if not to vote for scum?

There is not only one Scum.
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:25 pm

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Goodmorning, why don't you ever try to deal with yourself the case that has gotten you to L-1
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:26 pm

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Let me do the summarization thing again, and then add a few more ideas. Should I do a bulleted list? I will do a bulleted list. Bitches love bulletted lists. HOW THE HECK DO I SPELL BULLETTED?

- Opportunism (as evinced by your scantily thought out reasons for wagoning Slandaar, specifically the way they concern play quality rather than play scumminess and explicitly refuse to consider presented justifications for play which is just plain irrational)

- Crappy Response to Censure (Let's be specific!)
General Theme: "You're looking for a way out but there isn't one." (tm)
1) avoiding the case with vague whatevertheheck674was
2) recharacterizing it to make it less threatening (post 679), and
3) AtE the hell out of everyone. BONUS: With lies! (PS: I'm fine with AtE, but this is more about contributing to the general theme above. Fight
the theme, not the AtE accusation!)
4) Completely failing to properly explain what actually sensical thoughts why you think/thought voting for Slandaar was reasonable from a townie perspective

- BONUS: With lies!
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:40 pm

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Because I've explained myself. You keep asking the questions that I've answered already. I'm not planning to repeat myself.

4 does look a bit different from things that have been said, though.
Why aren't you asking the other folks who saw fit to hop on that train?
OK, so you'd probably not get an answer from kthx or kwll. Why aren't you questioning DRK or Nacho on this? Slandaar accused DRK of opportunism and AtE, and Nacho gave less reason than I did. If my vote on Slandaar was really so opportunistic,
what about theirs?
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:11 pm

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See the part where I explain why your vote screams opportunism.

(as evinced by your scantily thought out reasons for wagoning Slandaar, specifically the way they concern play quality rather than play scumminess and explicitly refuse to consider presented justifications for play which is just plain irrational)


These aren't present as far as I know in other players.

Please quote the post where you "explained yourself" in a way that addresses 1-4 convincingly.
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:05 pm

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Psyche if gm flips scum who do u think her scum buddies are?
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:12 am

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@Psyche: The word "convincingly" is a problem here. I don't think anything I could say at this point would be convincing to you.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:14 am

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Prodding Jennifer

EDIT: Removing the star for this as it comes down to shitty timezones
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:48 am

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In post 674, goodmorning wrote:
I also don't usually go back and check up on my opinions of people or my reasons for voting them.

OK I know Psyche keeps quoting this but; this does not come from town.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:51 am

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In post 531, goodmorning wrote:DRK is probably one of my better Townreads ATM and Slandaar's argument on the massclaim is indeed bullshit (as I mentioned before).

What shall I do now? What shall I do?
I shall jump all over this wagon.

Vote: Slandaar

Even in this post what has DRK being a townread got to do with... anything?

It does not make me scum because I think someone she thinks is town is scum.

Hammer her, she doesn't need to claim because quickhammering has no deficit to town (her words)
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:55 am

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In post 674, goodmorning wrote:
In post 668, Slandaar wrote:
In post 666, goodmorning wrote:Proposing massclaim is not null at this time because there is a clear deficit to Town in it.

There is a clear deficit to town in quickhammering.

What differentiates the two?

If kthx found Elleran sufficiently scummy, there isn't necessarily any deficit to Town.

See

Just say you think she is sufficiently scummy then hammer away

No Problem in her mind. None at all.
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:55 am

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(obviously nonsense she is scum)

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