/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Norlkaz]

Hey everyone I have reads on pg 4!!!!post 82 Look how town I AM!!!!!

Yes

CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.

^this. I was gonna say wtf reasoning.... but I like this question more.

Why is it interesting whether I have followed a line of reasoning before?

Johhog is comfortable / assertive.
"Whoa why did you get a different impression from mine" is town because town expect others to agree with them whereas mafia realize they have a different perspective.

Or scum, don't want to be the only one pushing a foolish train.

I think this is an inferior explanation of Johhog's post.

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.
I'm never a fan of 'I am trying this once' or 'I wouldn't make this error as scum' though.

Really the self deprecation, seems like an easy excuse to later say... BLJhsdjGHZJDGJZ i SUCK at reading people...

see how consistent I am?

Fair enough; this is not a ridiculous idea, but why would scum do that?

Unvote vote llamarble

Nope

@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?

There is only so much time in a day.

Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.

This is a bizarre question.

Unvote, vote: Llamarble

Nope

[Llamarble]

Hey everyone I have reads on pg 4!!!!post 82 Look how town I AM!!!!!

Yes

CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.

^this. I was gonna say wtf reasoning.... but I like this question more.

Why is it interesting whether I have followed a line of reasoning before?

Johhog is comfortable / assertive.
"Whoa why did you get a different impression from mine" is town because town expect others to agree with them whereas mafia realize they have a different perspective.

Or scum, don't want to be the only one pushing a foolish train.

I think this is an inferior explanation of Johhog's post.

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.
I'm never a fan of 'I am trying this once' or 'I wouldn't make this error as scum' though.

Really the self deprecation, seems like an easy excuse to later say... BLJhsdjGHZJDGJZ i SUCK at reading people...

see how consistent I am?

Fair enough; this is not a ridiculous idea, but why would scum do that?

Unvote vote llamarble

Nope

@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?

There is only so much time in a day.

Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.

This is a bizarre question.

Unvote, vote: Llamarble

Nope

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Talk about inconsistent avatar quality.

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 5

Nachomamma8 (1) - N
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Tammy
N (1) - penguin_alien

penguin_alien (3) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Johhog, Shadoweh

Konowa (1) - Tierce
Deasvail (2) - Konowa, Llamarble
Shadoweh (2) - Nachomamma8, WickedestJr
Empire (2) - CrashTextDummie, DeasVail
CrashTextDummie (1) - Vi
Llamarble (2) - Benmage, Empire

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)

I don't reccomend the "Invitational 12 drinking game"; I'm just not Equinox.

[Shadoweh]

Half prod dodge until tonight.
I didn't say I suck at reading people, just Tierce. Luckily every other person on the site is pretty good at finding scumTierce so I'm set.

[DeasVail]

Um ok, it didn't come across that way at all to me given what seemed to be a serious tone. What do you think of Konowa's and Llamarble's votes on you? Do you see them as being opportunistic as well or something else?

Konowa's leaning town so far. I think his vote for me was ok, but we'll see. Llamarble's vote I don't know what to think of, but I don't like how he hasn't done anything with it after your unvote.

Why do you think he's scum?

[Empire]

Why do you think [Llamarble]'s scum?

Benmage summed it up pretty succintly in #104 but to add onto that -- I really don't like his list of reads and the rationale behind them in #82 + #96. I think they're pretty shallow and he sometimes focuses on things that aren't alignment indicative at all. For example, Benmage "commenting on relevant things" doesn't seem like anything that would even remotely shed light on his alignment and the CTD scumread for the link within a "short thought" post gave me a wat reaction. It just reminds me of his early play in TM 2012 White Flag where he mostly just commented on meaningless things and his scumhunting came off as superficial.

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Empire
Vote: Llamarble

I don't really get the problem with 82 (as far as the whole 'look how town I am' thing goes), but the others things are alright.

[Benmage]

CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.

^this. I was gonna say wtf reasoning.... but I like this question more.

Why is it interesting whether I have followed a line of reasoning before?

Tierce can follow that up.

I'm more with, explain how him linking there was scummy.... I'm not following that reasoning whatsoever... feeels fake.

[Benmage]

And for Johogs point. Your statement it being inferior, is simply subjective and doesn't make my point any less valid.

-The point with shadow... what's the logic behind it??? Setting the bar low.. you can't connect that dot on your own?

[Benmage]

but the others things are alright.

What things?

Oh And Llamarable what was this on again:?

Benmage is commenting on relevant things.

What?

[Johhog]

I'm half inclined to actually do something with my vote, but I don't want penguin_alien to escape by just lurking so this was a completely unnecessary post.

[DeasVail]

What things?

The other things Empire said.

[Vi]

Why so emo, Shaniwéh?

[CrashTextDummie]

And obviously, I don't view my vote as opportunistic at all -- for example, I didn't vote DV because he's an "easy target" (and I'd argue that he isn't an easy target in this roster given that most everyone here knows him and how he plays).

That's my point. I think calling DV's vote on me opportunistic was a mischaracterization on your part (unless you think I'm an easy target for some reason). I'm willing to take it as a poor choice of words at this point though as your contributions apart from this issue have been decent.

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Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?

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Llamarble wagon seems to be the most interesting thing going on.

unvote, vote: Llamarble

[Johhog]

Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?

I'm not. But I'm voting him, and I don't want to see him escape by me unvoting him just because he's not showing up.

[DeasVail]

Whoa, hold on Tierce? You're buying that? Because that just made him go from meh to scum on my list.

Do you think that I'm making things up as I go, or that I planned this all as scum?

Johhog can you answer this please?

[Johhog]

Sorry, thought I did. You're making up things as you go.

[CrashTextDummie]

Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?

I'm not. But I'm voting him, and I don't want to see him escape by me unvoting him just because he's not showing up.

Escape from what exactly? It's not like your vote on him was well reasoned to begin with.

[DeasVail]

Sorry, thought I did. You're making up things as you go.

But you don't think I'm scum?

[Johhog]

Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?

I'm not. But I'm voting him, and I don't want to see him escape by me unvoting him just because he's not showing up.

Escape from what exactly? It's not like your vote on him was well reasoned to begin with.

You're a funny guy.

Sorry, thought I did. You're making up things as you go.

But you don't think I'm scum?

Obviously I do.

[DeasVail]

I don't know, I think that your Penguin vote is weird considering there's someone else who you actually think is scum. (I don't really imagine you having a super strong read from that one post, but I could be wrong I guess)

[Llamarble]

Oh And Llamarable what was this on again:?

Benmage is commenting on relevant things.

What?

Somebody had asked what pro-town behaviors in this game I was referring to when I recalled your usefulness being negatively correlated with your being town.

I already explained my CTD vote. He made what looked like a quick reaction post, but the way he used a link made it feel like he put more time into it.
"Posts that are constructed to make the poster look like they're in a different mindset than they actually are" is approximately equal to "posts by scum"

Why do you think [Llamarble]'s scum?

Benmage summed it up pretty succintly in #104 but to add onto that -- I really don't like his list of reads and the rationale behind them in #82 + #96. I think they're pretty shallow and he sometimes focuses on things that aren't alignment indicative at all. For example, Benmage "commenting on relevant things" doesn't seem like anything that would even remotely shed light on his alignment and the CTD scumread for the link within a "short thought" post gave me a wat reaction. It just reminds me of his early play in TM 2012 White Flag where he mostly just commented on meaningless things and his scumhunting came off as superficial.

I think I did a good job imitating my townplay at the beginning of TM12.
You can wat all you like, but I am smart and look at things others don't consider. Simple != unimportant.
You need to read more closely; the relevance of Benmage commenting on relevant things was already available in my posts.

Um ok, it didn't come across that way at all to me given what seemed to be a serious tone. What do you think of Konowa's and Llamarble's votes on you? Do you see them as being opportunistic as well or something else?

Konowa's leaning town so far. I think his vote for me was ok, but we'll see. Llamarble's vote I don't know what to think of, but I don't like how he hasn't done anything with it after your unvote.

Why should it matter to me whom others are voting for?
I am confident in my ability to prevent a lynch on a townread / cause one on a scumread when the time comes, and the time definitely has not come yet.

And for Johogs point. Your statement it being inferior, is simply subjective and doesn't make my point any less valid.

-The point with shadow... what's the logic behind it??? Setting the bar low.. you can't connect that dot on your own?

My interpretation of Johhog's point is grounded in first principles; I'm not sure yours is even logically viable.
If Johhog doesn't want to 'be the only one pushing a foolish train' then wouldn't that be the opposite of a reason for him to voice his stark disagreement?
I don't see why scum feel the need to set the bar low for themselves; I certainly don't suffer from this as scum.
I find it a towntell because in my experience scum tend to focus on their fake scumhunting / arguing and neglect secondary actions like introspection (of which self deprecation is a form).

[Vi]

u._.u
:o #RAOOOOOOOW*

Unvote: CrashTextDummie
Vote: Llamarble

(L-4)



*"RAOOOOOOOW" is dog (roughly translated) for "YOLO". Unlike in Internet, it is not the other half of "cow" in cão.

Cut by Llamarble and I do not care.

[Nachomamma8]

Whoa, hold on Tierce? You're buying that? Because that just made him go from meh to scum on my list.

then why are you voting penguin?

Empire is town...most likely. I'll be able to tell for sure after an effort post, but first thought is he would be too self-conscious to call himself obvtown, especially in a game with me and tierce and regfan waiting to replace in if necessary. And I doubt he'd bother to be posting in between classes as scum, he'd be far more likely to just put it off.

this is a little ridiculous
a little arrogant
a little town

Does Tammy normally overreact like this?

yup.

Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?

I'm not. But I'm voting him, and I don't want to see him escape by me unvoting him just because he's not showing up.

You don't want to see her escape by you unvoting her.
How is she escaping, exactly?

Unvote, Vote: Johhog

ben let's go here