Magic: The Gathering,GO TEAM MS!

[Fate]

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/live-more-smash-more/

Here's what I was thinking


Extremely early rough draft, thoughts? Obvious inclusions? (Couldn't find a way to fit Rancor's in atm, except by cutting Arbor Elves?)

[Fate]

initial testing shows flinthoof boars were too greedy

Also getting to 5 mana is hard guiz

[chamber]

I'd go three domri 2 pit fight over the reverse. domri is a lot better without the combo.
You should hit 5 on turn 6-7 with that many lands and 4 arbor elves.

[Fate]

Great point.

More testing:

Rancor+Hound of G= LOLGG

[AGar]

3 more people should sign up for the RYOS tournament.

That'd be fun.

16 is a nice number.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean, another advantage of swiss is you don't have to worry about the number of people once its over 8? Just run 4-5 rounds (probably only need 4 with 13, but I'm not sure) cut to top 4. Seems fine.

[AGar]

Yeah but 16 is such a nice number...

[Thestatusquo]

I was gunna stream tonight, but then I realized that my net blows, so that will have to wait for another time.

Out of curiosity, who would be interested in watching such a thing?

[AGar]

I was gunna stream tonight, but then I realized that my net blows, so that will have to wait for another time.

Out of curiosity, who would be interested in watching such a thing?

Possibly?

[Sudo_Nym]

For draft, I assume? I'd probably watch a GTC draft.

[AGar]

I'm entertaining the idea of putting together a gimmicky Standard deck and bringing it to a FNM sometime soon.

How bad did I do?

Planeswalkers (4)
4x Vraska the Unseen

Creatures (10)
3x Bloodline Keeper
3x Thraben Doomsayer
4x Attended Knigh

Spells (22)
4x Growing Ranks
4x Lingering Souls
2x Gather the Townsfolk
2x Midnight Haunting
2x Parallel Lives
4x Rootborn Defenses
4x Druid's Deliverance

Land (24)
3x Golgari Guildgate
3x Orzhov Guildgate
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Gavony Township
3x Swamp
5x Forest
8x Plains

Basic concept of the deck is to produce tokens, populate and the ideal win con is through the Vraska ultimate.

[Thestatusquo]

Very. Four Vraska is miserable, as planeswalkers are obviously terrible in multiples, and Vraska isn't good enough to justify drawing her dead a large amount of time.

Second, if you're running a token deck, why would you not run the anthem? I forget what its called, but 2/2 tokens seems better than 1/1 tokens.

Third, I think your mana is awful, but thats probably just a function of not having shocks. If thats the case, make one of the three colors a splash and cut the gates and pick up a few of the buddy lands. The W/G is like 2$

Fourth, no pack rat? you misplayed.

Lastly, I don't think you need that much of the druids deliverance/rootborn/growing ranks effect. I think I would play like 3 rootborn 3 deliverance 2 growing ranks, which gives you room for removal like fiend hunter or oblivion ring.

[AGar]

Very. Four Vraska is miserable, as planeswalkers are obviously terrible in multiples, and Vraska isn't good enough to justify drawing her dead a large amount of time.

Being that idea I focused this deck around was Vraska's ultimate (possibly a poor choice, I am willing to admit), what would be an appropriate amount here?

Second, if you're running a token deck, why would you not run the anthem? I forget what its called, but 2/2 tokens seems better than 1/1 tokens.

I have no idea what this card is to be entirely honest. I know I wanted Lingering Souls as a 4of because of the flashback effect. If this puts out 2/2 tokens, I'd probably replace the Gathers/Hauntings with a 4of for this?

Third, I think your mana is awful, but thats probably just a function of not having shocks. If thats the case, make one of the three colors a splash and cut the gates and pick up a few of the buddy lands. The W/G is like 2$

I'll have to go for this. Figuring out how to tweak the mana is probably more difficult for me than it should be.

Fourth, no pack rat? you misplayed.

Big gaffe on my part.

Lastly, I don't think you need that much of the druids deliverance/rootborn/growing ranks effect. I think I would play like 3 rootborn 3 deliverance 2 growing ranks, which gives you room for removal like fiend hunter or oblivion ring.

I'll look into this.

[Shanba]

the best way to win games of limited is to play massive flyers

[Thestatusquo]

the best way to win games of limited is to

play

topdeck massive flyers after your board has been wiped your opponents superior play

FTFY

[Sudo_Nym]

He means Intangible Virtue, which gives +1/+1 and Vigilance to all creature tokens.

And Vraska is pretty bad. Her middle ability is good, but her +1 is mediocre, and her ultimate doesn't win the game.

Since you're in G/W, Trostani may be a good call. Colors may be too demanding. Call of the Conclave should be really nice for a token based deck, though.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd be really tempted to run Seance or even Cackling Counterpart. Probably not good tech, though.

[Thestatusquo]

its just you. O.O

[Fate]

FUCK IZZET

STATICASTERS

AFHRUHGRHUG OUTPLAYED SO HARD

[kdowns]

FUCK IZZET

STATICASTERS

AFHRUHGRHUG OUTPLAYED SO HARD

Let me guess, paired with Peddlers?

[Fate]

no....

i just got baited into blocking a 3/5 Faithmender with a 4/4 because I had Wild Defiance out and didn't think he'd be able to kill me or pump his guy

Flashed a staticaster and took my 4/4 out, who would've been a 8/4 with mountain walk the next turn and I could've out raced his herpderp mender....

[Thestatusquo]

One of the things thats very important to playing magic well is the question "why is my opponent doing this?" which leads you to think about what cards might be in his hand and which of them you can successfully play around. In this case, depending on the deck, and the game situation, there is not a lot of reason for your opponent to attack (unless the life gain was super relevant) except to bait you into blocking, and there are tons of things that absolutely blow you out for doing so. If you had thought through this line of play it leads you to thinking about what bloodrush he could have, what burn he could have, izzet staticaster, etc, which would make me personally think that single blocking is probably not an option here. Taking it and double or triple blocking were probably your best options.

[Nuwen]

Yeeeeeah, I can't play constructed at all because my answer to "what could be in his hand" is often "a flying pumpkin shooting eye lasers" or some other card I haven't seen.

[Shanba]

Yeeeeeah, I can't play constructed at all because my answer to "what could be in his hand" is often "a flying pumpkin shooting eye lasers" or some other card I haven't seen.

Isn't that just a question of experience with the format? Especially just after a new set enters standard people have to get used to all the cards and that happens just by playing matches and stuff. There's really only a limited number of archetypes running a limited number of different cards - most stuff doesn't make it because it simply isn't good enough, so the pool of cards you have to learn is much smaller than it looks like on the surface. Even between archetypes a lot of cards are shared.

If the cards that are getting you are unusual cards then dont feel too bad - it's much harder to play around an unusual card than a usual card. It's like in limited, you're probably going to fall for that furious resistance or that tower defence more often than you're going to walk into that martial glory or slaughterhorn because slaughterhorns and martial glories, being more powerful cards, are the ones you're more likely to expect your opponents to play.

[Thestatusquo]

Yeah. I think shanbas point is well taken. This is the kind of thing that just comes with experience.

At the pre-release I got blown out by several cards that I would definitely be playing around if I had played the format a couple of times. Aetherize is an example. However, I also got blown out by a hydroform, which I would still get blown out by right now simply because I think the card is actively bad and I wouldn't be expecting an opponent to have it.

[Sudo_Nym]

Sometimes, you also have to realize that you can't play around everything. If an opponent is holding up Azorius Charm to bounce a guy, he's going to 'get' you with it eventually. The trick is to provoke it when it's of least harm to you- so you have to consider how much it's costing you to play around it against how much it's coating him to hold it up, and how bad it is for you when he does play it out. Matches against control tend to be full of that kind of math.