Open 473: Jungle Republic GAME OVER

[Thor665]

Wagons on PH and the wagons that were counter to him all through d1.

Like which besides Ald, which is the only counter worth a spit I can name?

I don't know about uct in particular, but nobody I have seen does THAT with a buddy. Calling him very much town, talking about him smacking down walls, praising his every move, etc. Seems more like the kind of a thing a scum would do to someone he thought was town, so he could go "told ya" after the lynch. It is possible he was just playing a very deep game on us, but reading the rest of his posts he didn't exactly seem like the deep game type.

I do this sort of thing as scum - I actually think a number of players do. Is your stance that it doesn't happen, or simply that Uct seemed too derp to do it - you seem to be claiming both, clarify?

I am fine with lynching HD, but feel we would have better luck with a Thor lynch.

You are okay lynching Whiskers or HD - but really want to lynch Thor, the obv. scum.
You then look at the tied HD and Whisker wagons, and vote the one Thor the obv. scum is voting for and not the one Thor the obv. scum has been repeatedly accussed of soft defending by avoiding it all day.

Tell me more.

Guys...Thor lynch. He's gone completely nutso in the past 24 hours. He completed doubted Rob and then turned like that (I'm snapping my fingers since you can't see). I like his point about PH supposedly not being caught up though.

It's completely nutso to doubt Rob, scumhunt him, and then decide he's town?
But Thor is making other good points when he attacks ProHawk - but not when he attacks Sky or Rob.

Tell me more.

[Rob14]

I need to look through some stuff, especially on Whiskers. Can someone sum up what caused his wagon to dissipate? I know I had him as a strong scum read earlier in the day, but I have been skimming recent stuff because of lack of time and (to some degree) interest.

[Thor665]

Can someone sum up what caused his wagon to dissipate?

Me.

[Thor665]

I'm debating about just re-making it, I'll admit - but you can all thank me later for the wealth of info today will provide.

[ProHawk]

Thor are you dumb dude? There are two scum-teams. There is only one wolf left. If you are the wolf, who freaking cares who you vote for? You can't bus your partner, and you have no clue who the mafia are.

[Majiffy]

I need to look through some stuff, especially on Whiskers. Can someone sum up what caused his wagon to dissipate? I know I had him as a strong scum read earlier in the day, but I have been skimming recent stuff because of lack of time and (to some degree) interest.

He blew up a few pages ago. I unvoted because it looked town. Everyone else got off after I did.

Thor - I don't come here to think, damnit, I come here to vote recklessly and lynch bitches.

[Majiffy]

Like which besides Ald, which is the only counter worth a spit I can name?

I think he was a counterwagon to either Uct or Whiskers, potentially both, at some point.

Also Uct was pretty much tunneling him like hell all day and tried to push him just prior to Uct becoming the bona fide lynch of the day.

[Whiskers]

Wagons on PH and the wagons that were counter to him all through d1.

Like which besides Ald, which is the only counter worth a spit I can name?

I think he was a counterwagon to either Uct or Whiskers, potentially both, at some point.

Also Uct was pretty much tunneling him like hell all day and tried to push him just prior to Uct becoming the bona fide lynch of the day.

((Uct never was a lynch, not ever. He was nightkilled. Scumslip? I don't think he was even ever a candidate to be lynched. ))
I remember Aldus and HD being the counterwagons: Aldus vs Prohawk was how the day started, then HD was brought to L-1 and claim, then we ended with Aluskkel and Prohawk and third, lesser wagon, Sky.
I'll double check, but I think those were the notable wagons. They're the ones I remember.

I don't come here to think, damnit, I come here to vote recklessly and lynch bitches.

This explains sooo muuuch....

[Majiffy]

((Uct never was a lynch, not ever. He was nightkilled. Scumslip? I don't think he was even ever a candidate to be lynched. ))
I remember Aldus and HD being the counterwagons: Aldus vs Prohawk was how the day started, then HD was brought to L-1 and claim, then we ended with Aluskkel and Prohawk and third, lesser wagon, Sky.
I'll double check, but I think those were the notable wagons. They're the ones I remember.

Well at least someone has a memory.

[Whiskers]

I'll double check, but I think those were the notable wagons. They're the ones I remember.

Well at least someone has a memory.[/quote]
Don't take my word for it. If you'll recall, the memory I have like goldfish's.

[Rob14]

Was that scumslip suggestion serious Whiskers?

[Majiffy]

Well at least someone has a memory.

Don't take my word for it. If you'll recall, the memory I have like goldfish's.

Can't be worse than mine.

[Whiskers]

Was that scumslip suggestion serious Whiskers?

...Why do you ask?

[Majiffy]

Because he wants to know if he should belittle you for how stupid it was.

[Tajun]

VOTE: HD

Unvote: ProHawk
Vote: HD

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HD

Hey so

No

Considering that pretty much the entire case on me is that I jumped ship from the Aldus wagon and returned to the ProHawk wagon when I thought he was going to flip town...yeah, have fun with that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sky

Sheeping 4nx because I'm far and away too lazy to actually go and do the work myself

Maybe tomorrow if I live that long

^I am 100% game for this lynch too, but I would still prefer Sky, simply because I think he is a more likely wolf and equally likely anti-town. HD isn't even pretending to scumhunt anymore. Also, see my iso for a case on you if you are curious, I don't feel like reposting it here.

I don't know about uct in particular, but nobody I have seen does THAT with a buddy. Calling him very much town, talking about him smacking down walls, praising his every move, etc. Seems more like the kind of a thing a scum would do to someone he thought was town, so he could go "told ya" after the lynch. It is possible he was just playing a very deep game on us, but reading the rest of his posts he didn't exactly seem like the deep game type.

I do this sort of thing as scum - I actually think a number of players do. Is your stance that it doesn't happen, or simply that Uct seemed too derp to do it - you seem to be claiming both, clarify?

I have personally never once seen it happen, not to this extent. More the latter though I suppose, I wouldn't be shocked to see more experienced players do so, but most people I know put their buddies in the meh-scum to meh-town range, or bus them all out. It might be worth giving uct a meta check to see if he is smarter than I gave him credit for, I'll do that when I get the chance. For now, I don't see it.

Thor looks better by the minute to me, not sure where sky sees otherwise. Sky, could you give us a read on HD and Prohawk?

[4nxi3ty]

I hate it when people make me question my reads... Reread both ISOs. Uctriton's iso points to HD scum in all posts except the one quoted, imo.

gonna have to do the same with Whiskers -_-

tbh Uct's whole play towards HD looks like he is trying to get on HD's good side through meta from a previous game.

I'd be willing to lynch HD, but first I'd like to know why you and Thor think he's scum.

Why are you encouraging a HD lynch when I am your top werewolf suspect?

y'know you've displayed a certain pattern in this game: "scum would never blatantly defend there buddy", "scum would never leave an obvious opposition in Majiffy alive", and probly "werewolf would never attempt to direct a seer"

[4nxi3ty]

((Uct never was a lynch, not ever. He was nightkilled. Scumslip? I don't think he was even ever a candidate to be lynched. ))

ime scum often immediately characterize awkward phrases as scumslips.

HD isn't even pretending to scumhunt anymore.

This happens when a town player loses interest in a game too.

[Whiskers]

I'd be willing to lynch HD, but first I'd like to know why you and Thor think he's scum.

Why are you encouraging a HD lynch when I am your top werewolf suspect?

Because it's a comparatively weak read?

y'know you've displayed a certain pattern in this game: "scum would never blatantly defend there buddy", "scum would never leave an obvious opposition in Majiffy alive", and probly "werewolf would never attempt to direct a seer"

How is this a pattern?
What certain pattern is it?

It'd be dumb for scum to blatantly defend their buddy.
WHISKERS would never leave an obvious opposition in Majiffy alive.
And one of these things isn't like the other: not only did I not say the last one, but it's far more specific, isn't it?

Why wouldn't a Wolf, specifically, try to direct the seer?

((Uct never was a lynch, not ever. He was nightkilled. Scumslip? I don't think he was even ever a candidate to be lynched. ))

ime scum often immediately characterize awkward phrases as scumslips.

Fair enough.
I pretend to see it as ScumMaj saying, "when he was a candidate for lynch" being like, "when he was a choice for nightkill", since when I'm scum, I usually have several and have to decide among them.
However, I also don't really believe this to be telling.

[Rob14]

Was that scumslip suggestion serious Whiskers?

...Why do you ask?

Why don't you answer?

[4nxi3ty]

How is this a pattern?
What certain pattern is it?

It'd be dumb for scum to blatantly defend their buddy.
WHISKERS would never leave an obvious opposition in Majiffy alive.
And one of these things isn't like the other: not only did I not say the last one, but it's far more specific, isn't it?

Why wouldn't a Wolf, specifically, try to direct the seer?

I wasn't talking about what you said, I was talking about what you did. Each one of those actions has the same motivation: "do the thing that is too blatant for scum to do."

wolf in most cases would not draw the seer's attention, It's like you're going "look at me directing the seer, wolf would be too afraid to do that!"

[Majiffy]

Was that scumslip suggestion serious Whiskers?

...Why do you ask?

Why don't you answer?

He did, kind of. See above.

[Rob14]

So he did, kind of.

So it wasn't telling, but you decided to throw around a buzz word? I like my vote still.

[Tajun]

((Uct never was a lynch, not ever. He was nightkilled. Scumslip? I don't think he was even ever a candidate to be lynched. ))

ime scum often immediately characterize awkward phrases as scumslips.

HD isn't even pretending to scumhunt anymore.

This happens when a town player loses interest in a game too.

True, but usually being voted is enough to stimulate a persons interest. I am not sure what is up with him, if he has just given up or what, but he is active and scumhunting on a half dozen other boards and utterly useless here, not just recently. Not to mention he is as scummy as anyone else on this board.

@Rob: What is your opinion of Whiskers' reactions at the end of page 47?

[auspicious]

HD has been a scum read since the game started, and he makes sense as an Uct partner.

And why are we trying to vote mafia when they can't even kill? The WW should be the main target for today.

[Whiskers]

So it wasn't telling, but you decided to throw around a buzz word?

That's right, exactly.

...wait a minute--

So are you saying that you're spamming the thread to dilute the amount of scummy material you have?

I guess, fits with your poisoning the well tactic.

Lol quote please. This never happened.

Actually, the Majiffy defence by Rob13 is really

weird

to me.

Whiskers, you're ignoring the obvious. Majiffy is lazy. He voted me and said to himself, "eh - i'll do a case whenever" and then by the time whenever rolled about he didn't think I was scum anymore

Things like this.

Also, it bothers me that Rob13

doesn't think it's weird at all

that Majiffy repeatedly calls him scum with no reason or case--

it's mentioned once or twice,

but it's apparently not worthy of a vote or anything.

It's apparently not even scummy, considering Rob goes waveringly between town and null reading Majiffy Day 1.

Although, it

is

scummy when someone else is doing it:

^Whiskers/Tajun remaining mafia-team alert. Tajun calls Whiskers scummy but doesn't vote him for the past page or three and then coaches him in the above post.

There's an interest in Majiffy's wall-fights... when Majiffy is the attacker. Asks Maj a bunch of questions, leading him to represent his case in a better, clearer way-- then votes Thor after one bad answer. He has no interest in what I might be trying to bring

against

Maj, though-- Whiskers scum, whiskers scum, if she's trying to attack majiffy.

Oh hey, and I forgot about this:

Adding onto Majiffy's points regarding "butting in", it should be recognized that Whiskers is attempting to talk to people in a vacuum. He doesn't want anyone to comment on his responses or the conversations he's having with others in-thread, which is what he "called out" Majiffy for doing. (Is that even a call out? lol)

This is inherently anti-town because it stifles discussion. It's also quite scummy if he wants people not to be analyzing his actions.

Can you bring up ANY evidence for this, especially since I've wanted the opposite, and several times specifically asked for involvement from any other player?

So it wasn't telling, but you decided to throw around a buzz word? I like my vote still.

So, cool. Now you've given one reason to vote me.


Idk. Scummy. Remember what I said about Majiffy's interactions with Rob looking like scum bussing? This looks like scum buddying-- especially if I remember that Rob has Majiffy as null-to-town. There's a lot of chatting and asking questions that aren't scumhunting. I haven't done VCA but I recall Rob being on the ProHawk wagon with Maj. They could be scum together, or Rob could be scum buddying up to a power player.