NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[Vifam]

I don't know but your name got thrown around a lot around D3 for a lynch

[AngryPidgeon]

Whats the chance of IaI and Dan being scum together?

[Vifam]

I'd say it depends on how many scum are in the game

If this is a 4 scum game then probably not

If it's a five scum game then it's a possibility

[AngryPidgeon]

I really don't like Dan's response. I would have expected a lot more "Excuse, me but we are lynching scum-IaI today, are you all retarded?" instead of this soft defending and justifying.

But maybe Dan is just that way?

[Vifam]

No he's probably scum, I was gonna wait and see how things unfold but idc

VOTE: ActionDan

[I Am Innocent]

At home now.

Here was my thoughts:

1) Matt's flip put one thought in my head. Bus Driver. I've never played with a framer before, but looking that up on wiki I agree that is also a possibility. With town's power, it does makes sense for one of these two to be in the game actually. I realize now that being obvious with the investigation target was not a good idea.

2) With #1 in mind, I wanted to stay away from the likely targets. I looked at D2 again, where AA9 was lynched, and found ActionDan not voting the entire day. His iso matches his predecessors, both as lurkers. That made me feel uneasy. Add in posts like 1217 "ArcAngel is incredibly town now.", I felt this was the best option as well as one of the least to get switched via a bus driver.

3) Got the investigation back, and saw I was still alive. That made me realize scum must think I would be the easy mislynch today. So I sat back, figuring most, but probably not all of the scum would come after me. My hope was AD would be the one who didn't, which would make catching the rest easier. But he was one of the ones pushing, so I came out immediately with my result at that point.

Those are my thoughts/reasons for doing what I've done. It is basically 1 vs 1 at this pt, if I go today, AD goes tomorrow. If AD goes today, I will be confirmed cop and def NK'd tonight. I do not foresee any add'l protective roles, but at least my death will keep the other confirmed townies alive another day.

[UberNinja]

Why would you wait and hope that AD wasn't one of the ones that pushed you, so you could get other scum to nibble, but then come out w/results as soon as AD started pushing?

Also how does AD scum result = AD scum? If there's a bus driver, he'd show up town right?

[UberNinja]

That doesn't make any sense at all. And it looks like I missed pages, brb

[Vifam]

Yeah I don't think you know how busdriver works broseph

[UberNinja]

It switches results of people right?
I am checking it on the wiki right now, it switches results.

[Vifam]

Not you I meant IAI

[I Am Innocent]

Why would you wait and hope that AD wasn't one of the ones that pushed you, so you could get other scum to nibble, but then come out w/results as soon as AD started pushing?

Well he was the 5th or 6th player to post at that point, and that didn't include myself or Lord. I weighed the value of sitting back to gain more info from the remaining players versus a wagon forming quickly on me and people assuming my result was scum desperation. If AD had defended me, I likely would have sat back a little longer to give a few more people the chance to speak up.

Also how does AD scum result = AD scum? If there's a bus driver, he'd show up town right?

The only way AD is town is if there is a framer and they picked AD*** or if a Bus Driver switched AD with a scum*** (once again, they would pick a town that I am likely to target, the obscurity of this pick makes it unlikely) or if there is some other role that screws with me that I am not aware of.

*** Why wouldn't they pick a town who is heavily suspected versus random AD? The obscurity of my investigation target makes it unlikely that AD is town

[I Am Innocent]

Not you I meant IAI

The Bus Driver is a role that can choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night action performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night.

For example, suppose a Bus Driver switches John and Jack. That same night, a roleblocker tries to block John and a Goon tries to kill Jack. In the end, Jack will be roleblocked and John will be killed.

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When I investigated Matt, if a scum bus driver switched Matt with a member of the mafia, I would have gotten a guilty on matt

[UberNinja]

uber goober lets be friends.

are we not already?

i still have that charm bracelet with your name on it that you made for me at summer camp in 1988

don't tell me you lost urs?
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[UberNinja]

When I investigated Matt, if a scum bus driver switched Matt with a member of the mafia, I would have gotten a guilty on matt

Yeah so how does that explain a scum result on ActionDan then

[UberNinja]

OHHHH you picked someone LESS likely to be switched

so that the result would be legit

[I Am Innocent]

When I investigated Matt, if a scum bus driver switched Matt with a member of the mafia, I would have gotten a guilty on matt

Yeah so how does that explain a scum result on ActionDan then

Unless you think Mafia targeted ActionDan via bus driver or framer, which everyone seems to agrees is unlikely, then he really is scum.

[UberNinja]

k I can dig

Vote: ActionDan

p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

i.e. disney villains

holy fuck i will never live that down BUT it also wasn't my fault because they lynched all sorts of people that were 100% town

kinda like AP in this game


p-edit: yeah i got it.

[UberNinja]

Im having trouble getting over IaI's crumb, snap claim, and lack of CC. It just looks too legit. I'd thro money down on a framer and I know that framers are fairly rare.

wait I thought you were the one pushing that it DID NOT seem legit before?

[UberNinja]

Basically it was decided that IaI would investigate Mattp, as far as I remember.

So if there is a framer, its no coincidence that it connected. I guess I'd have to reread again to see HOW obvious it was that IaI was intending to target Matt, but I recall it being basically decided that he would. We should have done a pick 1/3 randomly method

This is actually really important -- this would change probabilities but I honestly don't remember that occurring.

this ^

[UberNinja]

Im having trouble getting over IaI's crumb, snap claim, and lack of CC. It just looks too legit. I'd thro money down on a framer and I know that framers are fairly rare.

I said the exact same thing on mason board about IaI.

I have had the framer's role twice I think but have only seen it used successfully once in a game I gmed.

since you are the only mason left, you might as well spill the beans about everything mason-y

i.e. PV's suspicions. there is a reason he was killed over you last night; who did he suspect?

[UberNinja]

VOTE: IaI

there's not going to be a framer because it's absolutely useless when there's IC + 3 masons.

this is setup speculating instead of saying "no, he's lying, i'm town" or something similar

this doesn't sound like a town response

[UberNinja]

VOTE: IaI

there's not going to be a framer because it's absolutely useless when there's IC + 3 masons.

actually that's exactly the type of set-up to use it in.

VOTE: action dan

also this, yeah

[UberNinja]

I disagree. Gauging his and a few others reactions was worth the few hrs of bankable time wasted.

great so what did you learn from "a few others"

[UberNinja]

yeah I am not so sure I buy that

UBER GOOBER WHERE ARE YOU DON'T YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND?????

i am here and i love you stop fucking tripping girl