NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[UberNinja]

why did I write in my own name in that quote

why are you writing questions without question marks like cyberbob

[UberNinja]

so Vifam is IaI a legit cop?

I mean you can't just quote matt's reads to dodge the elephant in the room here.

I haven't felt Vifam is dodging the elephant in the room in the least

[UberNinja]

What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

[UberNinja]

Well fwiw, I strongly doubt AD would be a frame target. I dont think IaI has really talked much about him all game.

-nods-

[UberNinja]

Dan, you look like scum. Don't do this to me. Either way, Im pretty sure one of these two HAS to be.

-nods-

[AngryPidgeon]

What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

This post pretty much sums up my feelings right now. I also feel that IaI had easier targets to try and fake on if he really were scum and trying to get one more person lynched on his way out. (Like Majiffy or Rev mostly)

[AngryPidgeon]

Unless of course the team is MAjiffy/rev/IaI, in which case: lol.

[UberNinja]

I dont 100% follow. Scum doesnt have to have an answer for PRs, depends on what the town power is.

3 masons / IC / Vig / BG as the only town PRs VS a Maf JK is a little wack though. Like REALLY wack.

Are you saying that's too

FEW

power roles for town?

What about 3 masons / IC / Vig / BG / Cop as town PRs vs Maf JK / Maf Framer or Bus Driver?

[UberNinja]

What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

This post pretty much sums up my feelings right now. I also feel that IaI had easier targets to try and fake on if he really were scum and trying to get one more person lynched on his way out. (Like Majiffy or Rev mostly)

assuming they are not scum

Unless of course the team is MAjiffy/rev/IaI, in which case: lol.

LOL

[UberNinja]

that was the what I thought out loud when I read those posts ^

[UberNinja]

okay i'm caught up

i g2g but i will be back tomorrow morning

@mod: i proxy my vote to AP if that's allowed

[Majiffy]

Why did I write in my own name in that quote

Guiser slip. Moza guised into Vifam.

VOTE: Action Dan
4205 makes a lot of sense.

[AngryPidgeon]

Are you saying that's too FEW power roles for town?

What about 3 masons / IC / Vig / BG / Cop as town PRs vs Maf JK / Maf Framer or Bus Driver?

I think the town power roles dont really work well together. There is no synergy. The Vig has a chance of shooting roles whose only benefit is to be conftown. Same with BG. Gets in the way of a Vig. And ESPECIALLY considering scum have a direct counter to the only active PR (vig) which makes it MORE likely for Vig to shoot town/masons/ICs, I just dont see how that setup could be passed in any review. I don't know. Either way I hope Nacho never rolls Vig again.

P-edit: haha. The only thing that Im slightly about is that sentence in which you said this could have gone horribly wrong and compared it to Disney Villains. Are you so sure IaI is town / Dan is scum? Im torn, but Dan's reaction kind of sucks and lynching scum Dan is more benefit than lynching scum IaI if we assume the chances of it being either is 50/50.

[ActionDan]

You guys are considering busdrivers. If ANYTHING it's a redirector in the case where IaI is a cop. Let's get this set-up spec straight. Framer unlikely to hit me, so simply discount that possibility (and framers might as well just frame themsevles or their teammates. Plus being being an investigative target is not obvious imo). Busdriver is pretty dumb as well for the same reason (it's a little better since it gives scum two outs in the case where scum cops either me or a scum instead of one out). Redirector is by far the most likely. It's retardedly powerful however and JKer + redirector either doesn't exist or I'd think there'd be 4 scum.

IaI basically gave away his reason for picking me as his fake guilty. It's because I was the only one for sure who wasn't thinking he was a cop.

@To the people saying that I'd be hard to push over other people: the goal here is for IaI to simply take a stab at surviving an extra day. going 1v1 vs the guy that was sure to vote him was his best bet.

AP, it's annoying you think I'm scum from a misread of a tonal response. And I know you're snapping at it to comfort yourself because you're convinced that IaI's cop claim of three lines seems like a tonaly town post. It happens. This game is going to be a lesson for you. Logic trumps tone.

as for UN I don't think it's worth my time responding to it.
and he's still town

[AngryPidgeon]

Well Dan pushing IaI as scum is kind of a bad scum play since he goes down if IaI flips town today.

So maybe you are town?

You didn't think he was a cop? Why does that matter for who scum-IaI fake investigates then? If you flip town, he would def go down tomorrow and I think everyone is on that page.

[Majiffy]

Dan - 4238 suggests redirector, but no explanation for why a redirector would be on

you

. That's the point of why IaI claims to have investigated you; you're an unlikely framer/driver/redirector/etc. target.

[ActionDan]

Dan - 4238 suggests redirector, but no explanation for why a redirector would be on

you

. That's the point of why IaI claims to have investigated you; you're an unlikely framer/driver/redirector/etc. target.

so you don't know what a redirector is?

[Majiffy]

No. Why don't you walk me through how my question was stupid in the most condescending way possible, please.

[Lord Mhork]

I'd vote ActionDan, but I dunno how many votes are on him.

Also I think that a bus driver makes total sense. It punishes the town for a mass claim by giving targets to swap mafia for townies, easy targets to redirect the vig, and the ability to try and frame someone. Why are people so convinced that it wouldn't work in this setup? 0.o

[ActionDan]

On it!

the Redirector's target's action is the one that gets redirected. for example: A cops B, Redirector targets A and changes his target to C. A then acts as if targetting C. and gets a result as if he targetted C.

assuming he has one, IaI should clarify if the mod specifically mentioned my name rather than just guilty/innocent in his result pm

I sort of think you've been around enough to know these things majiffy but I guess not.

@Mhork because bus driver means that if IaI cop then both MattP was busdriver with scum and that I was busdriven with scum.

[ActionDan]

like what makes these roles more likely to exist than simply if IaI is lying scum.

[Lord Mhork]

...yeah?

Or it means that MattP was driven and you actually are scum. That's likely too.

PEdit:
That doesn't make sense. Cops and busdrivers work great together.

It also gets around the bodyguard.

[Majiffy]

I just don't often play large games. Not a whole lot of strong PRs for scum or town in Micros and Newbies.

[AngryPidgeon]

Inb4 AD's team bus drove IaI onto a scum last night, but he targeted scum Dan anyway.

Dan, could you comment on my 4239?

[TheReverend]

Hi, catching up, back in like three weeks or something.