Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[Human Destroyer]

Oh look

I pressed a couple buttons

Let's look at what buttons they are...

Spoiler: Keys I pressed

And look

Then I typed in goodmorning

And then look

I found that post

Oh snap

[NicCage]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

lol distancing

[Human Destroyer]

Yah but then I stopped tunneling

[NicCage]

So you think you were wrong to use it as evidence against Jacob? When exactly did your thinking change on it?

Do you think Jacob is scummy?

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Nic

Did a Ctrl+F through GM's iso for NicCage and Nic

She expresses a scum read on him all day that's shoddily explained and rarely revisited, but even when Panzer starts the counterwagon on Nic at the end of the day, she states support on it, but

she doesn't join.

It's weirder because...it's her counterwagon? If Nic was town, she'd be jumping ALL OVER his wagon.

P-Edit: I think it was wrong to use against Jacob, yes.

My thinking changed when I realized "Okay, serra flipped town, I'm doing something wrong here."

I don't think Jacob is as scummy as I made him out to be D1.

[NicCage]

That post was from D2, but I assume your read carried over.
During D2 it seemed like you agreed with what bork and I said about that if serra was scum then Jacob was town, was that the case?

[Human Destroyer]

Oh yes definitely

serra-scum wouldn't have been pushing Jacob's wagon as a counter to GM-scum if Jacob was scum.

[NicCage]

Okay. I understand that I'm your top suspect, is Jacob your second?

[Human Destroyer]

No, not anymore

I'd say Els is my second

[NicCage]

Both els and Jacob were part of your potential scum teams yesterday with serra. Personally I thought that serra/hydra made the most sense and serra/Jacob didn't, it seems like you agreed. However, now that we know serra was town, what makes els a more likely candidate than Jacob?

[Human Destroyer]

Post 429 is the only thing that really gives me pause on Jacob-scum tbqh.

I mean it's kinda hard to forget your scumbuddy is in the game.

[Human Destroyer]

I don't think Jacob is smart enough to fake that in advance

(No offense)

[NicCage]

I understand that, but why els? Part of my suspicion on els was based on the fact that I expected serra to be scum.

[Docteur Gudsight]

Let me answer this one for HD: Given i'm the only one that is disagreeing with his bullshit cases, he needs to decredibilize me as much as he can, so that people that are too lazy to make their own opinion will just sheep him.

Like what happened yesterday.

[Human Destroyer]

Well, els' whole flip-around on serra was bullshit, I even pointed out how bullshit it was

The hydra was pushing all of Day 1 for a serra lynch...but when Day 2 comes...defends serra for defending a wagon where GM was supposedly the counterwagon,

when there was also a goddamn counterwagon on Jacob

.

I.E. hydra wants towncred for serra flip

[Cheery Dog]

Post 429 is the only thing that really gives me pause on Jacob-scum tbqh.

I mean it's kinda hard to forget your scumbuddy is in the game.

I believe he commented later about not putting 2 and 2 together. (knowing goodmorning was being talked about but not paying attention to what her username's initials were)

On the other hand I did browse (skim) through everyone's isos last night and believe jacob used his v/la to attempt to go under the radar by giving us no content yesterday.
VOTE: jacob

@Jacob, during day 1 you said you found town reads easier to make, why them am I seeing less of them than possible scum reads from you?

[Docteur Gudsight]

@HD: Unlike you (or should i be more precise: like you pretend to do), i'm actually paying attention to flips. You are still pursuing day1 wagons as if nothing has changed while i'm taking into account flips. Serra was more or less cleared by gm flip.

Also, *I* never expressed any suspicion of serra, and i'm definitely not bound by the day1 opinions of my ex-hydramate.

Jacob wagon is good though. Even better now that HD is off it to be honest.

[Human Destroyer]

Unlike you (or should i be more precise: like you pretend to do), i'm actually paying attention to flips. You are still pursuing day1 wagons as if nothing has changed while i'm taking into account flips. Serra was more or less cleared by gm flip.

Through faulty logic that I utterly disproved, but rather than actually realize "Hay he disproved it" you've pretty much just proceeded to just repeat it without actually trying to reprove the point

So

[Docteur Gudsight]

You pulling the WIFOM magic card, then misquoting the mod is definitely not a disproval.

[Human Destroyer]

Um, no.

I disproved it with the fact that he was pushing a

completely different

counterwagon to both Josh/Jennifer

and

GM.

[Human Destroyer]

But instead you ignored that and said "lol he's only disproving it by saying it's WIFOM"

Which I did say

But I also said more

Don't strawman me too much, you'll get too blatant for even your scumpartner to save you

[Human Destroyer]

Wait holy fuck this just completely dawned on me

NicCage rode out the serra wagon based on my push, saying if he flipped scum, Els was scum with him

But since he flipped town (which Nic knew going in), he said Els could be town

Fuck this makes complete and total sense

...I think?

[Docteur Gudsight]

Um, no.

I disproved it with the fact that he was pushing a

completely different

counterwagon to both Josh/Jennifer

and

GM.

Let me quote my post, given you are continuing to misrepresent my defense, like you have been for um.. ever.

No it is not. When your scummate is the #2 wagon, defending the #1 wagon while pushing a #3 wagon is increasing significantly the odds of your scummate to be lynched, and is a really counterintuitive move. I don't believe serra-scum would do such a move, ergo serra is town.

--

Don't strawman me too much, you'll get too blatant for even your scumpartner to save you

Why aren't you voting me then? Yeah, because you think Nic will be an easier wagon, and you only care about people not listening to me.

[Human Destroyer]

Wait holy fuck this just completely dawned on me

NicCage rode out the serra wagon based on my push, saying if he flipped scum, Els was scum with him

But since he flipped town (which Nic knew going in), he said Els could be town

Fuck this makes complete and total sense

...I think?

Read it Els

Read it and weep that I found your scumteam's strategy

And yeah no shit I'm going to go with the wagon I think will garner more support

Also, just to point this out again,

GM wagon rose to meet the Jacob wagon, not the other way around

. Your whole clearing of him was complete bullshit.

Have fun with that.

[Human Destroyer]

I.E. serra was pushing a #2 wagon that was a counter to a #1 wagon, but also to a newly formed #3 wagon