Mini 1426 - Hell's Bottom

[Keybladewielder]

jeromus: most likely scum, not much content, way too many posts 

Flay: slightly scummy from seemingly "random" vote because "knowing someone is town, vote for them"

qwints: null

Arc: null, doesn't post much 

HD/Bomb: null, hardly any posts

Blue Yoshi: seems scummy, useless posts and idiotic reads

Bub: town-oriented play

KBW: town, bad player.

Elyse: mysterious posting habits, town oriented tho

Rainbowdash: town-orientated play

Desperado: pretty much confirmed town

YOLO: way out there, not focusing much on this game, seems to be voting HD because he suggested prod on YOLO.

[Rainbowdash]

STOP POSTING READS IF YOU THINK JEROMUS IS SCUM.

Seriously mafia 101 everypony.

[Keybladewielder]

I figured I might as well get it out there

[Rainbowdash]

I figured I might as well get it out there

*sigh*

Okay then, IC mode it is.

If you really dont have a problem with the lynch (and are not the obvious kill regardless of a flip) then giving out an excess of information shortly before the day ends is a bad move because it removes half of what scum need to do at night to be effective which is guage reads on who is lynchable and who isnt. If we all said exactly what we think of everypony else, scum know if somepony is a much stronger town read than they thought or is more lynchable than they thought.

So basically if you think jeromus is scum still basically say so and shush.

Im a little conflicted due to him hitting the strong VT tell (he claimed VT either intentionally or not a page or so prior) mixed with a decent scumtell (everypony give all your reads). So still, guaging, waiting, figuring out.

[Desperado]

I definitely do not agree with the L-1 wagon on Jeromus and I am completely surprised Rainbowdash even goes as far as to ask for a claim. Where is the case on Jeromus? I can see the 'few content in lots of posts' argument but that's not nearly enough for a lynch, especially not when deadline is so far away. Someone should unvote Jeromus asap.

Regardless of the fact that "few content in lots of posts" is an extremely watered down version of the case on Jeromus, who are you to tell anyone else what is "enough" for a lynch? Is there some kind of chart that you could share that spells out how many scumtells someone needs to exhibit before we can lynch them? If you're going to just handwave away multiple posts, made by several people different people, independently, on why Jeromus is scum, you're going to need to do better than this.

[Desperado]

@ KBW: Can you tell me specifically what you mean by "town-oriented play"? Sounds a lot to me like you're saying they are playing "too towny," so to speak. And what separates me ("pretty much confirmed town") from Bub and Rainbow?

[Keybladewielder]

By town oriented play I mean there haven't been any truly scummy posts by said person.

You have not made anything for me to suspect you, but rainbow and bub have made a few scummy remarks

[Elyse]

Basically what Rainbow said.

Why the hell would you give scum a list as to who is universally thought as town and who is universally thought as scum? It just gives them a hitlist, and if they don't kill a townie player, then there is added WIFOM, etc.

Jeromus is obv scum.

[Elyse]

KBW, can you quote those remarks? Or paraphrase?

[Keybladewielder]

Not obviously. But most likely

[Keybladewielder]

Flay's late jump onto the Jeromus wagon seems fishy, but Jeromus has been scummy independently. At least one is town.

Vote KBW

Inconsequental question is inconsequental.

BB can be town for now.

BTW the RBD one is not because they voted me, but rather the second sentence.

[jeromus]

Im a little conflicted due to him hitting the strong VT tell (he claimed VT either intentionally or not a page or so prior) mixed with a decent scumtell (everypony give all your reads). So still, guaging, waiting, figuring out.

L-1 is not where you want someone that you're waiting, gauging and figuring out. I'm a fan of the "information information information" style of play. If noone posts their opinions on anything but the most popular wagon, it doesn't give much information at all. Perhaps Player by Player is a little too far, but I really haven't noticed much more than wild bandwagoning from most of the players in this game.

More later tonight, as promised.

[jeromus]

Im a little conflicted due to him hitting the strong VT tell (he claimed VT either intentionally or not a page or so prior) mixed with a decent scumtell (everypony give all your reads). So still, guaging, waiting, figuring out.

L-1 is not where you want someone that you're waiting, gauging and figuring out. I'm a fan of the "information information information" style of play. If noone posts their opinions on anything but the most popular wagon, it doesn't give much information at all. Perhaps Player by Player is a little too far, but I really haven't noticed much more than wild bandwagoning from most of the players in this game.

More later tonight, as promised.

[jeromus]

Woopsy double post.

[Keybladewielder]

Triple jeromus.

[10506670]

Deadline: 3/15/2013, 10:00pm PST

Votecount 1.10.0

jeromus

L-1

(6): Elyse, Desperado, qwints, Rainbowdash, Mr. Flay, Keybladewielder

Mr. Flay

(1): Bub Bidderskins

Elyse

(1): jeromus

Human Destroyer

(1): YOLO
Not voting (3): Bomb, ArcAngel9, Blue Yoshi

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

That was from a game with a day that lasted a little bit over a page. Clearly sarcastic in the context.

So was the concern about quicklynching in this game sarcastic too? Because you haven't recanted it, despite it being 100% crap.

Before D1 ends, I would really like to see a Player by Player from everyone, myself included.

I don't agree that complete Player by Player breakdowns are helpful, especially not this early in the game. All you're doing is telling scum who to Nightkill, and setting up spurious lynches for later. Everyone should do a top 3 or so before D1 ends, though.

I definitely do not agree with the L-1 wagon on Jeromus and I am completely surprised Rainbowdash even goes as far as to ask for a claim. Where is the case on Jeromus? I can see the 'few content in lots of posts' argument but that's not nearly enough for a lynch, especially not when deadline is so far away. Someone should unvote Jeromus asap.

So make a different case. Are you seriously suggesting Bomb-scum replaced out while under no pressure and HD-scum came in, learned his role, and immediately slipped? If not,

why are you voting him

? We're very far from RVS by now.

[qwints]

[quote="In post 236, Blue Yoshi"

I don't know if I'm the only one who is seeing this, but Key seems really anxious to pull this lynch through. To the point where it doesn't seem like horrible noobishness with a touch of VI. It legitimately seems scummy.[/quote]

Are you saying you'd be voting Jeromus if he wasn't at L-1? Is this an intent to hammer? Or are you saying you don't like the Jeromus wagon becasue of KBW?

[Keybladewielder]

I think that's exactly what he is saying

[Bub Bidderskins]

Flay's late jump onto the Jeromus wagon seems fishy, but Jeromus has been scummy independently. At least one is town.

"late"? I was gone from Friday to Sunday. Nobody additionally voted him in that time, and I'd had time to backread him. If I'd voted early, you'd be accusing me of pushing his wagon. Stop confirming your own biases, Bub.

Fair enough, but if you voted early I would count that as townie because you would be trying to scum-hunt.

I haven't read the game yet.

Still eagerly waiting for a good vote to have.

Read, then vote, is the usual order of operations. Why are you looking to sheep someone else's opinion of who to sheep?

Because it helps me determine alignments of players.

It's a little less applicable here with this jeromus fellow being at L-1, since, y'know, it's a free vote, why not ask for it if you're town? Scum get somewhat timid about asking someone to sheep them.


@KBW - if you have limited access, just go V/LA. Don't torture yourself and us by almost being able to play the game. Nobody will think less of you if you have to go on V/LA, be we will (and do) if you have limited access but chose not to go on V/LA.

Bub could you give me a rundown on why one of {Mr. Flay, jeromus} is scum, but one of them is town, please?

I didn't say that one was scum and one was town. I said that at least one is town and both are scummy. If one is lynched and flips town, it does not automatically imply that the other is scum, but if one is lynched and flips scum then it does automatically imply that the other is town.

As for why I think this, their pushes on each other feel genuine. Either a genuine push from scum on a mislynch or a genuine push from town on what they believe to be scum. I don't read their interaction as scum-vs-scum.

[jeromus]

What the hell is sheeping?

[qwints]

[]vote]jeromus[/vote]

[qwints]

VOTE: jeromus plz die now

[10506670]

Not falling for it qwints... though I nearly locked the thread because of you.

[ArcAngel9]

I'm going to approach this game differently than I usually do, since I'm a bit lacking on the time front.

Why do you replace in if you don't have enough time to play properly? On top of that, the replacement queue tells me this isn't the only game you replaced into. This 'not enough time' excuse for playing differently seems bullshit to me.

Vote: Human Destroyer

What is wrong in asking about review of an on going game? How does that makes anyone scum? Replacement doesn't insist one to read through all the pages, its a choice of a player how they want to put their views in a game. That doesn't make them scum
you reason to vote HD is not fair and very anti-town.