Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[Cheery Dog]

I could see a Doc/KX team, but I think we should go Doc first.

Wait you think the lynching wagon was all town on day 2?

[Jennifer]

I could see a Doc/KX team, but I think we should go Doc first.

Wait you think the lynching wagon was all town on day 2?

No, Doc voted to lynch Serra.

[CityElectric]

Votecount 3.5

Docteur Gudsight (Lynch!):

Human Destroyer, borkjerfkin, Jennifer, NicCage, Cheery Dog

Human Destroyer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, JacobSavage

KX (L-4):

ArcAngel9

Not voting (1):

KX

A lynch has been reached. The game is now in twilight. You're allowed to post and discuss the game until I get the flip up, however, votes will no longer be counted, nor can you change them in any way.

[Jennifer]

Suspense is killing my concentration at work!

[Human Destroyer]

Ugh, I just want the scumflip already

I need my "Ha, I told you so!" fuel.

[borkjerfkin]

doc's flipping scum for 1316/1320 alone if nothing else.

[Cheery Dog]

ohaI I Intend to do my bah post here assuming it's my last post and this is it.
(at least in thread)

[ArcAngel9]

Well fuck and here I finally had a couple hours to sit down and post everything.

are you scum?
Cherry, I thought you wren't comfortable lynching doctor? what changed your mind?

[NicCage]

Yeah mafia is destroying my attention today

[CityElectric]

Day three came and everyone was ready and all fired up to take out some scum. Except for one person, who continuously zoned out and didn’t really have her head with what was going on: CityElectric. At 6 PM, she was woken up from being half-asleep by some of the players.
‘Hey, wake up, we’ve lynched someone.’
‘Euhm, yeah, who?’ All the players pointed to Docteur Gudsight. CityElectric nodded and called the cops over, who took Docteur Gudsight with them. ‘You know the deal, you stay here until investigation is done. Who knows, you may get to get home early.’

And indeed, investigation turned out to be short again. They had been at home, watching cat videos on YouTube and commenting on them. The timestamps of those comments pointed at the fact that there was no way Docteur Gudsight could have been outside and murder people at night, so they let them go.

‘Well done,’ CityElectric said when she returned, sarcastic, ‘you’ve got another innocent person. We’ll never find the culprits like this. Tomorrow, 9AM, you know the deal.”

Docteur Gudsight,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched Day 3.

It's now Night 3. Night 3 ends in (expired on 2013-03-09 22:00:00). Night actions have to be in before that.

[CityElectric]

[This will be flavor when I have time to write (tomorrow after sleep and school)]

Cheery Dog,

Town Mason

, has been killed Night 3.

It's now day 4. With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-03-24 21:00:00).

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, what

There's no way my reads could have been this far off

[ArcAngel9]

this is bad!!!
VOTE: Human Destroyer
for pushing doc lynch and was also supporting cherry's

[borkjerfkin]

I still really think HD is town -- do you have a better case than that because that's not a good case.

Jennifer/Jacob? I don't think it's KX.

[Jennifer]

VOTE: KX

KX has to be scum. I don't think that both scum would have been on the Serra mislynch and KX is the only non-conf town on the alternate Doc wagon (obv I'm not conf yet to the rest of you.) Add to that how KX has been keeping off the radar.

[NicCage]

I think it's out of bork, HD, and Jacob. It's probably not bork though, I just can't rule him out. KX has seemed weird lately, but I expect him to come back and redeem himself.

Why Jennifer bork?

[KX]

Fuck I think I'm becoming a brony. Anyway:

@Jennifer
And why wouldn't both scum be on it? Both of them were village, so why would the mafia have voted one on each? And tbf, I think most people pretty much assume you're conf town after the counterwagon, otherwise I think you'd have been lynched for the slot. As for keeping off the radar, sorry about that, I've been really, really busy. I think there are a few things I should point out.

A little something about Human Destroyer:

Though I found him pretty town early on, I think I'm going to have to say scum at this point. This may be pretty bad reasoning, but it really seems to me like he should be playing better then this. On an additional note, check out #149:

The difference is Venrob did something that scum really can't afford to do; misrep their own play. Josh Lyman, on the other hand, has singlehandedly managed to avoid absolutely everything in the entire thread.

In fact, he's ignored my own vote on him, while Venrob has not ignored the votes on him.

If you want to know what it's in response to, check the post. Anyway, the first defense is total OMGUS, and I think that somebody like HD wouldn't be using it as a defense. But moving on, it seems pretty strange to me for HD to be defending him like that, considering it's really his only defense up to that point. Early on, he once again covers for venrob by saying he's probably a nube town, in #75.

He then talks about how he finds Josh to be scum, since he avoided everything in the thread aside from me. Well, guess what? So did venrob, who did nothing but respond to thing people said to him. That was it. And yet he defend venrob. Not that much alone, but check out #102:

KX, please stop talking about your own playstyle and scumhunt instead, thanks.

This is how he reacts to me doing the same, exact I was a little more active and did a little do one small reads thing iirc.

A couple more things I'd like to add. These have to do more with Goodmorning. First, in RVS, their vote was on HD. Not saying it makes him scum, and it's something that could go either way, but it is something. Now, check this out. Their second vote in the game? venrob. Wouldn't it be insane if a scum were to vote both their partners? And keep in mind GM was looking pretty town, so if they both flipped, that'd be great for her, and probably might make them win it all. Also, in GM's scum reads list, they have ven as the scummiest player. It seems like they realised ven wasn't playing top quality, and were planning to buss them for even more town cred. My overall feel on GM as scum, then, would be that they tried to appear town and distance from their partners.

On bork himself, seemed to be jumping around with votes and suspicions a ton, while avoiding HD, and there was an interesting shift in his thoughts on me plus a strange lurking almost contrasted with the aggressiveness. So while not obviously scum, doesn't do anything to dissuade me. Also, on thoughts on me, wtf has nobody pointed out how GM acted towards me? Idk about you guys, but if I was you, I would have been considered for a lynch long ago.

So yeah, that's all I can think of atm, if you'll excuse me it's now 6 am and I think it's gonna be another sleepless night, so ima see if I can get anything. There's probably more evidence out their, or perhaps even a whole in the reasoning or something, but it's what I noticed re-reading the thread and ISOing, so yeah. HD/Bork for scum, if not them, I'd say Jacob needs investigating.

There's probably a ton more stuff I wanted to mention, both about the case and other things, but can't remember atm, this seemed the most important/valid.

Vote: Human Destroyer

[borkjerfkin]

I think it's out of bork, HD, and Jacob. It's probably not bork though, I just can't rule him out. KX has seemed weird lately, but I expect him to come back and redeem himself.

Why Jennifer bork?

Pure PoE -- I have a strong townread on AA and medium townread on HD. I don't think it's KX based on interactions with several other people. I don't think it's you.

That leaves Jennifer and Jacob.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: Jacob

I think this probably has more legs than a Jennifer wagon today. We'll see.

[borkjerfkin]

On bork himself, seemed to be jumping around with votes and suspicions a ton, while avoiding HD, and there was an interesting shift in his thoughts on me plus a strange lurking almost contrasted with the aggressiveness.

Explain this because you're being really vague.

[borkjerfkin]

Fuck I think I'm becoming a brony.

Pain in the ass, isn't it?

[Jennifer]

I went through the votes again, updating for Doc's alignment.

KX and Jacob are my two strongest scum reads, but I have more confidence in KX.

In addition to the Serra lynch, look at:
Votecount 2.5

Docteur Gudsight (L-3): Cheery Dog, Jennifer, Klick
Human Destroyer (L-4): Docteur Gudsight, KX


Votecount 2.6

Docteur Gudsight (L-2): Cheery Dog, Jennifer, Klick, KX
Human Destroyer (L-5): Docteur Gudsight


In 2.5 only town is voting for Doc. In 2.6 KX leaves the wagon on HD that isn't going anywhere and joins a viable mislynch.


Also, HD is not our lynch today. I don't think he's scum, and I think the majority feel that way as well.

@KX

What's your read on Jacob and why?

@Jacob

What's your read on KX and why?

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: Jacob

I think this probably has more legs than a Jennifer wagon today. We'll see.

Can you explain why you think Jacob is scum?

[borkjerfkin]

I hate this sort of VCA:

1) it's cherry picked to support your point.
2) you're using yourself, an unflipped entity, as conftown in it.
3) you're suggesting that leaving a stalled wagon in favor of another is some kind of scumtell.

p-edit: @AA: seriously please read my posts jesus.

[KX]

@bork, yes, extremely annoying. As for the vagueness, looking through your posts, I noticed you seemed to jump around between a lot of opinions, and so while that's expected that as the games goes on, opinions will change, however, always insisting upon HD being town despite that attitude matches up with the point about HD's actions, which stands out to me quite distinctly as out of character for him, not sure why I didn't catch on earlier. So it's not really something you yourself have done, it's more of nothing you've done has convinced me I was wrong about HD.

@Jenn, ok, so I voted a player who flipped town. So did you, and three people we have as confirmed town. I want you to tell me exactly one thing: What is the point of one mafia voting on each wagon? What do they gain from doing it? And if you're argument is simply I wanted a mislynch, then why didn't I vote serra who was one vote higher then gudsight at that time? If your argument is I didn't want to be on a mislynch, ok, why would I? I believe I was considered pretty pro-town at that point, so it's not like I wanted some towncred, and it got to the point were both wagons could easily have gone. It's not like I switched between the two as one built and one didn't, I saw the options, and I voted my opinion.

As for Jacob, while I don't exactly like his style, he seems town enough. There's a suspicious feel to his post, but that's not really something to go off of. So I suppose my read is town, especially since PoE with HD/bork, but if bork isn't HD's partner, I could see him being it.