Mini 1426 - Hell's Bottom

[Bub Bidderskins]

I actually thought I unvoted so was hammering.

Fucking seriously??

Argh. UNVOTE: jeromus based on recent activity. He's probably still the strongest D1 lynch but the last few posts have been supertown. Although he still gave a full player-by-player which is annoying...

Also Elyse is giving me hives. WTH??

unvote

That's a pretty townie post. If Flay's scumbuds with Jermous, then why did he go so hard earlier when it looked like Jermous was getting lynched? If Jermous is town and flay is scum, then why would flay back off a potential mislynch wagon?

Arg, this just through my reads for a whirl. I still think Jermous could be scum, though, but I need to rethink my scumreads.

[10506670]

Deadline: 3/15/2013, 10:00pm PST

Increased activity makes 10506670 happy!

whatever

yall

are doing elsewhere

The pony gods have been angered.

Votecount 1.12.0

jeromus

(2): Desperado, Keybladewielder

ArcAngel9

(3): Rainbowdash, YOLO, qwints

Elyse

(1): jeromus

Rainbowdash

(1): ArcAngel9

Blue Yoshi

(1): Elyse
Not voting (4): Human Destroyer, Blue Yoshi, Mr. Flay, Bub Bidderskins

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[Rainbowdash]

@Elys - Because AA is actively avoiding the game including stances on big wagons. Sometimes running up players like that actually gets them talking and they tend to give off lots of tells. Her reaction was pretty bad.

That said im trying to figure out if BY scumslipped or not in 310 where he seems to take an assumption that jeromus is town when last stated he was his top scumread and was expressing intent to hammer.

[Mr. Flay]

Here's what I don't get: YOLO was the only person, IIRC, to express any legitimate reservations on a Jeromus lynch prior to the qwints and Rainbow fake hammers, which were incredibly unsubtle. Now we're unvoting due to a series of reactions that could just as easily be forced as genuine?

*shrug* You see it as forced, I saw it as genuine (at least insofar as he thought he was lynched).

YOLO: way out there, not focusing much on this game, seems to be voting HD because he suggested prod on YOLO.

OMGUP.

An acronym says what?

I definitely do not agree with the L-1 wagon on Jeromus and I am completely surprised Rainbowdash even goes as far as to ask for a claim. Where is the case on Jeromus? I can see the 'few content in lots of posts' argument but that's not nearly enough for a lynch, especially not when deadline is so far away. Someone should unvote Jeromus asap.

So make a different case. Are you seriously suggesting Bomb-scum replaced out while under no pressure and HD-scum came in, learned his role, and immediately slipped? If not,

why are you voting him

? We're very far from RVS by now.

All those things are irrelevant. If I see a scummy post, I pursue it, I don't go 'Well this guy's predecessor was under no pressure and he just replaced in, so this game is probably not going to do anything scummy in his first post so I'm wrong'. In fact, this suggestion seems quite absurd.

You never said what you found scummy about Human Destroyer's opening post, though. I mean, ArcAngel has a way lower time-to-content ratio. I don't get your hardon for a HDlynch, hence why I asked. And you're still not really giving any reasons, except that it's somehow scummy to... replace? Did you find Bomb suspicious before he was replaced? Your ISO says no. What motivations are you finding for HD-scum to announce that he's sheeping??

DEAR GOD YOU PEOPLE FRUSTRATE ME.

Argh. UNVOTE: jeromus based on recent activity. He's probably still the strongest D1 lynch but the last few posts have been supertown. Although he still gave a full player-by-player which is annoying...

So supertown, but still the best lynch?

(Once again) that's not what I said. I said

those few posts

had been very town. I still find him overall suspect, but was no longer ready for a lynch without more reading.

[Mr. Flay]

You folks are lucky, this is next on my priority list.

Content in the next hour or two.

FUCKING HELL I HAD HALF A POST DONE

CHROME DAMMIT

It's now Saturday evening. Where's that post, HD?

[Human Destroyer]

It got deleted and I got pissed and never actually caught up

That and I'm a horrible dirty procrastinator

[Desperado]

Dude, you replaced in 5 days ago and have contributed zilch. You've haven't outed a single read, you haven't placed a single vote. The most effort you've put in is to backseat mod and request a prod for YOLO. Get your shit together and start playing or just replace right out.

[10506670]

Deadline: 3/15/2013, 10:00pm PST

Votecount 1.13.0

jeromus

(2): Desperado, Keybladewielder

ArcAngel9

(3): Rainbowdash, YOLO, qwints

Elyse

(1): jeromus

Rainbowdash

(1): ArcAngel9

Blue Yoshi

(1): Elyse
Not voting (4): Human Destroyer, Blue Yoshi, Mr. Flay, Bub Bidderskins

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Posting to say that I'm out of pocket most of today, and that hopefully nobody freaks out if posts appear out of order (see Global Announcement).

[Human Destroyer]

Dude, you replaced in 5 days ago and have contributed zilch. You've haven't outed a single read, you haven't placed a single vote. The most effort you've put in is to backseat mod and request a prod for YOLO. Get your shit together and start playing or just replace right out.

I'm getting to it.

It isn't exactly a short post, hold your horses

[qwints]

How about a short post or posting it in bits?

[Blue Yoshi]

*sigh*
Due to recent traumas and things which don't really need to be mentioned here, I'm going to

/replace out

to keep the rest of my sanity.
But hey, maybe someone else will be able to breathe more life into this game.
I look forward to playing with some of you when my life picks up again. Ciao!

[Elyse]

Sorry to hear that.

I'm willing to lunch AA now because we're not getting anywhere.

@Mod
Can we get an accurate VC?

[Keybladewielder]

Sorry to hear that.

I'm willing to lunch AA now because we're not getting anywhere.

@Mod
Can we get an accurate VC?

Back from V/LA
and I am sheeping with Elyse here.
UNVOTE: Jeromus
VOTE: ArcAngel9

[ArcAngel9]

Alright, i just got back from out of station.
Obviously mafia is trying to use my V/LA as a reason to get me lynched. Rest of the town, i request you all to read my meta and you will understand what is my play style.

i ll be able to available here from tomorrow. very tired today. so don't rush in lynching.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I don't like that self-meta defense.

[ArcAngel9]

it doesn't make it fake as well..
too bad that you don't like my defense... i wonder why?

[Rainbowdash]

I don't like that self-meta defense.

Its not somuch the self-defense meta which is fine if somepony is attacking you on known to be false meta, its that her entire defense to "she is avoiding taking stances" is "scum are trying to lynch me when im on V/LA" and calling anypony who attacks her scum.

Its interesting that AA assumes she is under fire for something she isnt under fire for maybe?

Also using "but im bad at mafia" as a defense is probably one of the closest things to "lynch all X" that should be followed

@Elyse - Explain why you are ready to lynch AA and what your read on her is.

[Mr. Flay]

Bub is neither voting you nor pushing for your lynch. Rather than worrying about 'why' and making vague aspersions about his scumminess, spend your time actually contributing. :pedit: What dash said.
Also, you're at 4 of 7 votes needed to lynch. No worry about a rush, but don't dawdle either. We have five days left of D1, assuming we don't get an extension for the Blue Yoshi replacement.

For now AA reads as newbie-null to me, but I could see that as a compromise lynch. However Elyse's "welp lynch the easy target" pushes me the wrong way. VOTE: Elyse

Elyse how did you go from "why is AA obv scum?" to "I'm willing to l(y)nch AA now" in less than 24 hours? Why are you dropping your major suspicions of BY just because he's replacing?

[Elyse]

I'm ready to lynch AA because she's continuing to do nothing with a growing wagon on her, and Blue Yoshi, my other lynch target, replaced out. Seeing as he had things going on, he wasn't really able to defend himself, making my case less strong.

I never had a town read on AA, just null-scummish for doing nothing, but she keeps making excuses and this phase is just dragging at this point.

P-edit:
Explained above.

[Elyse]

Also, if I just wanted to "lynch the easy target", I wouldn't have stopped the Jeromus lynch. He was my number one suspect at the time, and I only unvoted (and caused others to unvote) because I saw what I believe is a towntell.

[Rainbowdash]

Elyse how did you go from "why is AA obv scum?" to "I'm willing to l(y)nch AA now" in less than 24 hours? Why are you dropping your major suspicions of BY just because he's replacing?

Well Flay beat me to the ultimate point I was trying to lead her to.

Not sure how Elyse is at all geting "null-scum" as her early read of AA through her reaction to the wagon which seemed like the reaction of somepony who didnt understand the wagon at all.

Same time though im not too sure Elyse actually does defend jeromus like she does if she is scum, especially since there was still some push for his wagon. No doubt she oversells that she was the one who got the lynch diverted off him, but given her jump away from it im not sure she fits too well as scum without him.

AA just feels like the better pick here. Just look at her posting when jeromus gets ran up. Nothing related to him. Ever. Closest was (maybe?) still calling him scum when he said he doesnt know what sheeping is.

[Keybladewielder]

Flay, I see Elyse as partly scummy but she isn't exactly today's lynch target.

[Elyse]

I understood the wagon, but I thought BY was just a better wagon at the time.

[Desperado]

Unvote: Jeromus
Vote: ArcAngel

If you can't tell I like doing isos. I prefer looking for individual scum reads over broad player by players--they're more effective overall. Speaking of which, check this out:

Feb. 23:

Having issues with internet..am currently posting through mobile, so will be less active.

Feb. 26:

am here today, will catch up!!!

Feb. 28:

Firstly,

unvote

i have got some pages to catch up for this game.. sorry for being a lousy player, i ll get on to the game in day.. i promise.

March 2:

Waiting for ArcAngel and BlueYoshi to post something with content.

Am here, currently busy in weekends, i will have few reads by tomorrow...

March 4:

Checking in, real post after school

Hello HD, its good to see you here!! I was lost pretty much here. Will be joining you soon.
Hope you're not scum

Slow down Flay, I am jumping in today!!!

March 6:

I'm going to approach this game differently than I usually do, since I'm a bit lacking on the time front.

Why do you replace in if you don't have enough time to play properly? On top of that, the replacement queue tells me this isn't the only game you replaced into. This 'not enough time' excuse for playing differently seems bullshit to me.

Vote: Human Destroyer

What is wrong in asking about review of an on going game? How does that makes anyone scum? Replacement doesn't insist one to read through all the pages, its a choice of a player how they want to put their views in a game. That doesn't make them scum
you reason to vote HD is not fair and very anti-town.

Blocked by the mod. Lame.

Jeromus, how do you not know what sheeping is?

are you seriously fallign for that? He is lying!!!!!

Then they went V/LA (but still had time to show up and defend themselves and OMGUS Rainbow). Anyway, let me recap what AA has done thus far:

- Explicitly stated five times that they will be "jumping in" or giving reads soon, only to never do so
- Greeted HD and then used one of their 14 total posts to vehemently defend him from a single-vote wagon
- Implying that they found Jeromus scummy despite never voting for him.

That's it. The post defending HD was particular jarring--in a sea of barely intelligible promises to start playing soon i promise!!!!!!!'s, they come out of nowhere to defend Human Destroyer for a basically indefensible position, claiming that it is somehow OK for some to replace in and not read the game because "replacing in doesn't require you to read all the pages." Huh?

This doesn't change my feelings on Jeromus either. Notice how AA was cheerleading the Jeromus lynch without actually joining it, and her general lack of participation during basically the entire "should we or shouldn't we lynch Jeromus" period of the game. They're both scum for me at this point.