Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[goodmorning]

BRB GOING TO WATCH MUSICALS

[JasonWazza]

Slandaar - Doctor
Ztife - Tracker
Jennifer/Goodmorning - Neighbors.

GoodMorning - Serial Killer

DeathRowKitty/q21/Malakittens - Mafia Goons

All else VT's

Night 1 Actions
Doctor - DRK
Serial Killer - The Trollie
Tracker - Jennifer
Mafia - DRK kills Dannflor

Night 2 actions
Tracker - Malakittens
Serial Killer - KthxBye
Mafia - DRK kills Slandaar
Doctor - Goodmorning

Night 3 actions
Tracker - DRK
Serial Killer - Jennifer
Mafia - DeathRowKitty kills Ztife

Also it was fun watching the last day knowing that town had to mislynch or no lynch to win.

Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/AfqzmwLVjKM

Mafia and Neighborhood may choose to reveal there QT's if they like.

[JasonWazza]

Few questions for everyone;

a) how was the modding?
b) how was the flavor?

[Keybladewielder]

Nice flavor, very yummy.

Good modding.

[goodmorning]

Yeah, the flavour was quite alright, the modding was too.

And Nacho :[
I want to play a game where we share alignments eventually, playing against you is hard.
Actually, when it came down to the part where I had to claim there were just three thoughts in my head:
1. If I claim VT, how likely am I to be lynched as Mafia somewhere down the line? (somewhat probable)
2. If I claim VT it will be obvious that there is an SK; how likely am I to be lynched as SK somewhere down the line? (possible)
3. 921 "then if he actually claims vig, then he's a fucking idiot and i'm going to laugh my ass off" (ohoho)
It was the third point that really decided it (sorry Nacho) (you scare me)

When I was deciding who to kill I realized I couldn't kill Scum or Town would figure out that something fishy was going on and lynch me. BUT I also couldn't kill someone who was thought of as ConfTown or Town would realize something fishy was going on and lynch me. So I killed Jenn, I was pretty convinced she was Town and enough people suspected her that it was OK.

I was honestly only 51% convinced that Nacho was Town but I decided to go all in on that chance anyway, if DRK had been Town I would have shot YOLO/KBW.

[goodmorning]

Elleran gets stupidlynched too? NOT ALONE

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't remember anyone saying they didn't want the Mafia QT posted and no one said anything particularly stupid there except me so meow. If I accidentally revealed any government secrets in there, please point out where I did so because I wanna know government secrets too.

[DeathRowKitty]

Anyway, fun game, my first game in kind of a long time that I didn't start lurking in halfway through. And my first scum game in quite a while. I think I've gotten better at playing scum, but I still massively fail at planning. Btw, I hate you Nacho for basically killing our entire scum team. Go be good at this game somewhere else >: (

More thoughts later probably because I need to go pretend to be busy for a while. Then I might sleep because I think frogs do that. But I might post things eventually. Pro-tip: if you read my posts in a sexy voice, you won't even know I'm a frog.

Ribbit~

[goodmorning]

Laughed so hard at "I didn't have a town read on you at all AND I AM THE MOD ".

Also DRK
NO HARD FEELINGS RIGHT

AND YOU LIED IN THE MAF QT, YOU CLEARLY ARE VERY GOOD
(i hated Trollie's posts toooo)
YOU CALLED ME (potentially) DANGEROUS AND SCARY ;-; <3
(BUT NACHO CAN LEAD ME ANY DAY)
"there's nothing I can realistically say about Nacho that would make him seem anything but blindingly town" YOU'D BE SURPRISED WHAT PARANOIA CAN DO

Uh...
MALA
10/10 would play again

Oh, and I don't mind the neighbor thread going up, I didn't post in it N3 because I felt bad for killing Jenn :[
Actually my behaviour in there should have made her sure I was Scum. BUT WHATEVER
She can post it if she comes back for postgame because I'm too lazy.

This game was fun, like a lot, except for the part where Psyche was yelling at me :[
Too often people see that and get sucked into acting on it. But not Nacho. THANKS FOR LETTING ME WIN, NACHO

(can you tell i love postgames)

[DeathRowKitty]

Soft feelings, goodmorning. All of my feelings are soft.

I am definitely a bad player. This was almost certainly the best game I've played in 3 years. Granted, I've very rarely actually played games in that time, but when I did, I usually just lurked and did nothing because I'm a bad

person

player. When I didn't lurk, half of my play even as town was poorly-faked scumhunting. Of course, in the end, some of my old scum weaknesses came back to haunt me anyway. Overall I played well this game (or at least I think I did), but it's the exception and not the norm - and it wasn't good enough to win anyway

I probably won't sign up for any mafia games in the near future (I joined this one on a whim I thought I'd end up regretting but didn't), but we should totes be in another game together in another universe or something in which I do sign up for more mafia games in the near future.

Congrats on your win btw.

-Kitty McKittens (shhh, don't tell anyone I'm actually a frog)

[Malakittens]

Yeah. I will admit I played horrible. Tbh, I knew I was placing into a probable scum spot, but I wanted to prove my meta theory on Psyche right rather than sit back and watch it unfold. I was hoping we could have a chance at winning, but Nacho railroading wasn't something I was expecting. I'm not really sure how I see this setup was balanced as mafia had zero defense against anything. I won't complain though since I'm sure reviewers know best.

GG guys. Sorry Q21 and DRK - you both did well.
GM you deserved it. Congrats.
Nacho - you're a star <3

(Jason nice modding <3 )

[JasonWazza]

I probably won't sign up for any mafia games in the near future (I joined this one on a whim I thought I'd end up regretting but didn't), but we should totes be in another game together in another universe or something in which I do sign up for more mafia games in the near future.

Awww but i really want to play with you

[goodmorning]

It is so heartbreaking being Scum when Nacho is Town, because if you don't manage to kill him early he just does that thing and then you lose.

Pretty sure I'd play most of you guys again.

[Elleran]

Oh the game ended. gg guys

Nice job, GM.

[Slandaar]

town mislynched once and lost? nonsense setup.

[JasonWazza]

The fact that it got to 4 players shows the setup wasn't that bad.

Just happened that there was no cross kills.

In fact in the last night DRK was contemplating killing GM meaning it would have been a town win.

[goodmorning]

I'd have to say third party wins always look like nonsense because there's very little reason to them usually.

[Jennifer]

Congrats, GM! I had the feeling you were going to kill me when you didn't talk to me.

Here's the very short neighborhood QT. I need to learn how to be a better neighbor.... and a better scumhunter. DRK was the last on my list of lynch targets. :/

I had fun playing with all of you! Look forward to seeing everyone in another game.

[Nachomamma8]

good work GM
i was hoping i could bait the SK into claiming vig so that we could direct kills, since there was no way in hell that we were gonna have to pull out the win if SK shot obvtownies, to give the mafia someone to shoot, so they couldn't shoot the tracker...
but my reads weren't good enough

very fun game though+

[goodmorning]

I figured you'd not-suspect me more if I claimed Vig than VT.

[Ztife]

Nice game guys =)

When jennifer flipped town I was like SHIT, DRK's the last scum and GM's possibly SK, eitherway we're fucked.

Also I thought the mod was very prompt in the replies and stuff, good job Jason (Y)

[DeathRowKitty]

Awww but i really want to play with you

It'll probably happen eventually. Very few people actually walk away from mafia when they say they're going to.


I still suspect this setup was just bad for town. When I thought the setup was tracker+doc+vig-townie neighbor pair vs 3 goons, I thought the game was somewhat town-sided, but not unbearably so. But with an SK in place of the vig...

Neighbor is a fun role that I usually really like. People enjoy talking at night (well, most people do), so it's fun to play as, and how useful of a role it is for town depends on how well the town neighbor(s) manage(s) to use it (as opposed to a role like cop, where you investigate someone and get useful information no matter what). But a town neighbor tied to an SK is a bit iffy. An SK-neighbor is potentially at a pretty decent disadvantage. SK is already a very difficult role to win with (especially with no immunities) and probably shouldn't be part of a neighborhood. From the town side of things, having a town neighbor tied to an SK neighbor is less valuable than having a town neighbor tied to a mafia neighbor or having a pair of town neighbors. An SK is certainly a scum faction, but overall less dangerous and worrisome than a mafia team (for most of the game, at least).

Having that neighbor + tracker + doctor vs 3 goons and an SK definitely seems weak to me. Town mislynched day 1, followed by 3 straight mafia lynches. It's pretty rough for that to not be good enough for a town win in a mini. The fact that the game did end up being so close was largely because of the inherently self-balancing nature of having multiple scum factions - the better one faction does, the more the other factions target it. Town was doing well, so goodmorning took out townies to improve her odds. The game shouldn't have been close in terms of strictly mafia vs town. Town should have been steamrolling the mafia, but the SK just hurt the town too much. It's partly just the nature of SKs in minis, but it's also partly town not having enough power here to deal with the number of threats they had to get rid of.

Just to make sure I'm not getting the wrong point across, I'm not taking anything away from goodmorning here. Winning as no-immunity SK-neighbor in a mini normal is not at all an easy feat and she deserved her win. I'm just not sure town had a fair chance overall in this game.

Other than that though, the modding was overall smooth. Generally frequent and accurate votecounts, prods and replacements handled promptly, flavor was good when I was unlazy enough to read it (I'm really really lazy about reading flavor, sorry >.>). I still think the kwll situation was handled poorly, but it didn't end up impacting the game, so no harm done.


@Meowmeow/q21
It was fun being scummy scums with you and I would scumscum the scum with you two again~ Sorry for my lame buses on the two of you and hopefully you're not mad that I kind of gave up on the last day. I wouldn't have done that if I felt I had any chance there. One day we should group up to form the Scum4u company and use it to organize murders while pretending to give out free hugs. And we can also give out free hugs. Hugs are good~

[JasonWazza]

The thing is had the SK hit the mafia or the mafia hit the SK it would have likely been a Town win, the no cross kills and a bad move from town (not no lynching) was where town lost.

Had town no lynched i'm 99% sure that GM and DRK would have shot each other.

I'm not at all saying it was town's fault in this loss, but the no cross kills and the failure to no lynch in MYLO lost town the game.

And also GM's convincing "Vig" play kinda won it as well.

[KittyMo]

And is it just me that laughs at nearly all of DRK's posts?

Seriously i want to play with DRK in another game.

I want to hug DRK right now lololol

Awww but i really want to play with you

So cute.

[DeathRowKitty]

^ MALAKITTENS, IT'S THAT HAWT PERSON I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT