Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

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Alrighty.

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UNVOTE:

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I'm not mcqueen; you can unvote.

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I'm not mcqueen; you can unvote.

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ArcAngel9 (1): SlySly

Bumi

(1): PeregrineV

njoseph

(6):

Aj The Epic

,

nhammen

,

thezmon221

, havingfitz,

The Mini-Librarian

,

Sixx

Sixx

(10):

Albus Dumbledore

,

Parama

,

Nachomamma8

,

njoseph

, killerjester,

Edosurist

, Darthe,

Bumi

,

Ztife

, Jal

The Mini-Librarian

(1): Robert2424

Ztife

(2):

BirdAndBeast

, jeck
Not voting (4):

PMysterious

,

JacobSavage

, ArcAngel9,

Baby Spice

I'm not a big fan of vote count analysis on its own, but this is pretty golden (look at those bluescum on njoseph, haha).

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killerjester (now DeasVail) is probably the final member of his team for how desperate he was to get a jmj3000 or Ztife lynch instead of a Sixx lynch. DeasVail's weak reads on thezmon and TML also point in this direction.

VOTE: DeasVail

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I'm primarily looking at penguin_alien and Lurker's slots for redscum. penguin_alien's jump onto mcqueen seems incredibly out of place (I can't really see any reasons apart from mcqueen 'sounds desperate' calling Slaandar a liability) considering how strong her read on ArcAngel seems to be. Lurker's posts are bad enough in themselves, but SlySly's posting is incredibly scummy. His wagon analyses are transparently him trying to fake scumhunting. I suggest you read what LlamaFluff posted about him, and then contemplate why he might have been nightkilled N1.

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Really? If the teams are 4:4 and DV is bluescum and we lynch him, then we lose one extra kill per night.

Yeah, I'll post about SlySly tomorrow, but I suggest you take a look at LlamaFluff.

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Really! ^-^

I am fairly sure everyone currently voting mcqueen is town

This should be a fairly obvious sign of his alignment.

This actually doesn't follow because townies are wrong often.

Also Lurker and penguin aren't town anyway. (Why is penguin near conftown? What's so townie about Sly's posts?)

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Slys case is

Parama realized that Six claimed cop so he would be confirmed NYPD scum which is maybe not only cops and has fakeclaims, yet Six decided not to use one. When Six claimed Parama realized that Six was going to be caught as scum as soon as it became obvious that NYPD was scum in the game and because of this he decided to start defending Six. In the event Parama is not NYPD scum he is other scum who has fakeclaims while the flavor screwed NYPD dont.

He either is town who will refuse to consider he is wrong or scum (he also isnt reading my posts since he is suggesting stuff I already brought up). Most likely scum because while he is a below average player, he isnt close to being this below average.

Also I love how Sly is using the "no safeclaim" arguement from not only a game I actually called the non-me scumteam entirely correct with the exception of Sly but also didnt need safeclaims as there was no flavor issues, kinda again proving the point that he isnt reading my posts.

If

flavor

needs there to be a fakeclaim then there

are

fakeclaims. If fakeclaims are NOT needed by flavor, they will only sometimes show up.

Sly is scum NOT with Six (if I was going for other faction only I would lynch him first - this is by merit of him hunting specifically for one faction which is a massive scumtell in these games)

Whee!

Once you get past the fact that SlySly's posts are intimidatingly long you see they're weaker than overcooked spaghetti.

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Oh yeah did I mention LlamaFluff died Night 1?

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Is Baby Spice legitimately hunting SlySly in that quote? I don't think so.

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Town.

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The arguments mcqueen was making made zero sense coming from town.

Qualify this assertion.

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Slandaar, I'll get to my townread on you in a bit.

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I'd like you to respond to #3090 though Slandaar, I think it's a pretty salient point.

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The arguments mcqueen was making made zero sense coming from town.

Qualify this assertion.

The arguments mcqueen was making made zero sense coming from town...to me? Not sure what you mean by asking me to qualify that.

What arguments were mcqueen making, and why did they make no sense coming from town?

Darthe makes a good point about the mcqueen wagon stall. If he's not scum, why didn't scum hammer? Unless we're really going to make the argument that all the other scum jumped on his wagon. I'd buy that blue scum might have already been there, but unless it was Lurker, I just don't see it with Darthe or Slandaar not likely scum of any color. But if mcqueen wasn't red scum, there were four other people on the wagon, none of whom are on my scum list. So why didn't scum hammer?

Because mislynching town looks bad.

You are so scum. Darthe's point is crap. The wagon stalled because I'm town, and lynching town is bad for our wincon.

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I strongly advise you to consider that the reason you are alive now is because you are wrong.

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Clearly it's better to aim for blue here anyway because then there's one less kill per night.

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Also, lynching red today could still lead to a town loss even if we lynch scum on every subsequent day.

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Red scum, that is.

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lynching blue today is only best for red scum because then town is in mylo 5:3 and has to lynch 3 scum in a row to win

lynching red today means scum can crosskill and even if it goes to 4:2:1 we can lynch the expected blue scum and be in the exact same spot ie 3:2 is no different to 5:3 except we lynched in a different order.

You are indeed correct. My bad.

I strongly advise you to consider that the reason you are alive now is because you are wrong.

Sland Replaces in
GET BABY SPICE SHE SCUM GET THE RED SCUM
Baby spice gets nked she flips red

Next day
JAL SCUM JAL SCUM
OH WAIT TML BLUE GET HIM GET HIM
TML flips blue scum

Sland not die at night

If scum expected you to lynch Jal today than mcqueen's actions make no sense.

Also, whether or not you've been lynching x person on y day is irrelevant. The point is, your townreads and scumreads have remained remarkably consistent.

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I don't think you're scum, though. Just really wrong. About me, at least.

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I feel like your reads are based on your dumb attempts to outguess the mod + confirmation bias.

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If scum expected you to lynch Jal today than mcqueen's actions make no sense.

From a scum perspective, that is.

They never made sense from a scum perspective anyway because scum don't needlessly draw attention to themselves.

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Is it possible that Slan has this game figured out?


I think so.

Is it possible that you are hardcore buddying?


I think so.

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Literally the only thing that doesn't make sense there is the last sentence of the last paragraph.

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inb4 redscum

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(but i do suspect bluescum)

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Better than a town lynch. (i.e. mine)

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Pretty strong townreads (don't want to lynch unless I have to):

ArcAngel9

Darthe

JacobSavage

Jal

Skyhook

--

Baby Spice

(not quite as strong as the others, but not a weak townread)

Weak townreads:

Albus Dumbledore

(influenced by recent posts as well)
penguin_alien

thezmon221

--

Boniface

jmj3000

(The ones below the gap are really weak right now, but I want to look more closely at all of them)

curiouskarmadog,

Edosurist

, PV and

TML

are left.

Edosurist

is probably the most scummy followed by karmadog. PV is basically null and

TML

is more of a not-town read.

At least one or two of my townreads is probably wrong.

If you're super keen to hear my reasoning, then I guess you can ask? Although once I'm fully caught up I'll probably do a big post with where I stand on everyone. I actually feel pretty confident in most of my strong townreads though, so I don't envision many of them changing.

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Albus Dumbledore

-

Really Weak Townread

ArcAngel9-

Strong Townread

Baby Spice

-

Moderate Townread

Boniface

-

Weak Townread

?

Darthe

-

Strong Townread

Edosurist

-

Weak Scumread

JacobSavage

-

Moderate Townread

Jal-

Strong Townread

Jmj3000-

Weak Scumread

Lurker

-

Strong Townread

Penguin_alien

- ??? (There's something I noticed which may be a really strong towntell except I need to think more about it. I may bring it up, but I'm not sure how good I'd feel about it, as it's something that the mod said. Otherwise the slot is kind of eh though.)

PV

- I don't know. A player I wanted to ISO again to decide on a read. A weak read either way though.

Slandaar

- Maybe weak town but I was going to check.

TML

- Moderate Townread

Thezmon

- Moderate Townread

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DeasVail

(6): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal,

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,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

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(4): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

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DV gave up hes blue not red and this lynch was terrible.

I strongly advise you to consider that the reason you are alive now is because you are wrong.

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Eh.

Slandaar is still town.

I really think our best candidates for redscum are penguin_alien and PeregrineV, and our bluescum is in ArcAngel, Allyra, and Jal.

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Actually, no, PeregrineV isn't redscum. Blargh.

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Wind-up, what is your read on PV?

Unlikely red scum because of his catch in #2817, I also think that reduces the possibility of him being blue scum.

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I still think wind-up could be red scum. I can't fathom why else mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1; presumably red thought they could get another target out there, and unfortunately for them it was another of their number.

This is excruciatingly bad considering that the DeasVail wagon existed before the mcqueen wagon, and because if penguin_alien asserts that 'presumably red thought they could get another target out there' she should be able to point to where someone she thinks is red scum tried to divert mcqueen's wagon and how that diversion ends up being on DeasVail. We need to lynch this pronto.

VOTE: penguin_alien

Also, as I've said yesterday, being on a mislynch draws suspicion to you, something scum tend to avoid. Hence why mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1.

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DV gave up hes blue not red and this lynch was terrible.

I strongly advise you to consider that the reason you are alive now is because you are wrong.

Is there a point to this post btw?

It's a reminder that you are in fact fallible, as we saw yesterday.

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I still think wind-up could be red scum. I can't fathom why else mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1; presumably red thought they could get another target out there, and unfortunately for them it was another of their number.

This is excruciatingly bad considering that the DeasVail wagon existed before the mcqueen wagon, and because if penguin_alien asserts that 'presumably red thought they could get another target out there' she should be able to point to where someone she thinks is red scum tried to divert mcqueen's wagon and how that diversion ends up being on DeasVail. We need to lynch this pronto.

VOTE: penguin_alien

Also, as I've said yesterday, being on a mislynch draws suspicion to you, something scum tend to avoid. Hence why mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1.

Just bumping this up to the next page because it's pretty incriminating for penguin_alien, in my opinion.

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I don't deny that I was wrong about Lurker AND my burgeoning suspicions of Darthe were wrong.

But your past results are not indicative of future results. Acting like they are will and can only lead to disaster. See: DeasVail yesterday, and me when I flip.

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Also, as I've said yesterday, being on a mislynch draws suspicion to you, something scum tend to avoid. Hence why mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1.

How does this make sense?
Penguin can't be scum as she wouldn't want to be on a mislynch hence she wouldn't vote you if you are town then; why are you voting town again?
Scum don't like being on mislynches so they avoid them instead they prefer bussing? so Penguin is red and so are you?

penguin had an established position on mcqueen. Anyone who could have hammered either 1) would have looked fishy for switching from DeasVail 2) would have looked fishy hammering me over DeasVail given how obvious DeasVail was.

Wind is trying to lynch someone he thinks is redscum when anyone who has put thought into today can see we must lynch blue not red. Wind is obviously scum as lynching town Penguin today takes us to 3:2:1 red kills blue blue town Red wins. And Red know who blue is; its PV; I told them.

Ah yes, blue kills town despite the fact that I am "obviously" red for not "putting thought into today".

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If you read over that line in #3217 and get over your ego and confirmation bias, you should see that penguin_alien is desperately scrabbling to hold onto calling me scum despite DV's flip.

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I know we need to lynch blue today. But because I do not know who blue is, I will vote for scum in the meantime.

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Hmm, I'm not sure how good you are at reading comprehension, but I suggest you have another look over #3233 and see if you can answer all those questions for yourself.

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Ah, the long and storied tradition of "I know you are, but what am I?" Points for effort.

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I suggest you have another look over #3233 and see if you can answer all those questions for yourself.

I know we need to lynch blue today. But because I do not know who blue is, I will vote for scum in the meantime.

I see no questions here.

That is because my post contains the answers. Hence, 'look over #3233 and see if you can

answer

all

those questions

'.

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wind-up, given the pressure on your slot I'm not surprised you went for the town credit in hopping on the DV wagon when you replaced in. One of you was going down, and your slot looked better pre-mcqueen self-destructing.

Your reasoning is circular. Apparently, I am scum because I am scum.

Moreover, it would be a pretty moronic idea to bus my bulletproof buddy approaching what looks like a multi-faction endgame. But of course you conveniently leave that out.

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That makes no sense;

Penguin isn't blue so what is your vote accomplishing other than helping scum?

I know we need to lynch blue today. But because I do not know who blue is, I will vote for scum in the meantime.

Question answered? Verdict: No.

why were no red scum voting you at L-1 wind?

I know we need to lynch blue today. But because I do not know who blue is, I will vote for scum in the meantime.

Question answered? Verdict: No.

Were you lying to me Wind?

I knew you'd have trouble with the comprehension part of 'reading and comprehension'. Try again, and don't omit the other question this time.

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Also it's laughable to suggest that my vote was 'helping scum' because it takes four players to lynch. Maybe a slip that you know I'm town??

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I should note that at this stage, I think it's likely the red scum are 2 out of (Slandaar, penguin_alien, ArcAngel9) and the blue scum is one of (PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal).

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You are zeroing in on tiny details which are themselves WIFOM, Slander.

As redscum she might have defended TML because it looks good to defend someone who is going to be a mislynch from your point of view.

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*Slandaar

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I haven't read the circumstances surrounding TML's claim, but how would red scum specifically know TML was blue scum and not town?

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UNVOTE:

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Prod dodge. Had two essays to deal with.

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The abrupt nature and strength of the accusations were only ever made on two people!

Wrong.

Could TML really have tried a last ditch distancing attempt with the final Blue scum Edo?

Do scum ever do that? TML certainly didn't try a last ditch distancing attempt with me when I played with him in, oh, my most recently completed game on site.

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Not to mention that on my main I have run into TML scum on two other occasions, once as his buddy and once as a townie who successfully identified him as scum and lynched him.

So I'm pretty confident that I know more about TML's scum meta than you.

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The abrupt nature and strength of the accusations were only ever made on two people!

um, yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: idiotking

the top half of 511 does not lead to a b&b vote in any way. Fabricated read etc.

"does not lead to a b&b vote in any way. Fabricated read etc." Any prior suspicion of idiotking? Nope!

Time to consolidate these wagons now. Day needs to end. My motivation is dying.

I think the evidence against nj is much, much more convincing than the sixx wagon so...

VOTE: nj

"the evidence against nj is much, much more convincing than the sixx wagon" Any prior suspicion of njoseph? Nope! In fact, he had a town read on him earlier.

Since I'm terribly behind, I iso'd ztife to see what the ruckus was all about.

I saw 916, threw up a little bit in my mouth and made this post.

VOTE: ztife

"threw up a little bit in my mouth" Any prior suspicion of ztife? Nope!

etc etc etc

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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/tTXVWXDvMDdw

Here's my quicktopic where I point out that "By the way, you seem to be coming under a bit of heat for various reasons; I recommend you narrow your focus way down to one or two players and exclusively pursue them. Note point 11), but also just read over the rest of the post; 13) may also be useful in deciding who you should narrow your focus to.

I'd say it'd be a good idea to stop throwing out reads and only provide them when you're explicitly asked for them. Also, tone down the hyperbole. It's a significant feature of your scum play. Act a bit more calm and collected. It decreases the chances of people getting annoyed and wanting to lynch you, too."

i.e. that TML as scum tends to focus on lots of players regardless of their alignment, throws out reads a lot, and tends to make, as Slandaar put it, votes and accusations of an "abrupt nature and strength".

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He never uses the word scum in those posts so the strength is infinitely weaker.

He never had anything close to a 3 word 'this guy is scum' in there so yeah abruptness stands also.

lol

And I don't know his meta and don't care; you 'knowing' more means nothing.

lol

It appears you had the time to post though which is shall we say... interesting.

Try learning the past tense.

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Have you considered politics?

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Do scum ever do that? TML certainly didn't try a last ditch distancing attempt with me when I played with him in, oh, my most recently completed game on site.

He didn't do it there so he didn't do it here!

That isn't quite how it works.

It isn't, yeah. The burden of proof IS yours after all, and you still have to show that scum -- and TML specifically -- do pull 'last ditch distancing attempts'.

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So I'm pretty confident that I know more about TML's scum meta than you.

So? what are you saying? I am wrong because you have more experience with him?

Nope that doesn't make sense; I can still be right.

That is exactly what I am saying and no, you can't.

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eh, tags.

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He only was really strong on 2 votes; one of which was thez the other... your slot. Because he knew he was right.

Context. Thez was when he was not under suspicion, my slot was when he was.

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It isn't, yeah. The burden of proof IS yours after all, and you still have to show that scum -- and TML specifically -- do pull 'last ditch distancing attempts'.

And when I do that means I have proven you are blue scum?

Nope. Add logic to your list of things to learn about some day.

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Nope that doesn't make sense; I can still be right.

That is exactly what I am saying and no, you can't.[/quote]
Wind: I am the expert on TML meta

Wind has not used TML meta once to try to work out final bluescum

???[/quote]
WIFOM. As bluescum why wouldn't I be all over that right now?

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The very fact that you are using bluescum's interactions with my slot not in conjunction with my slots interactions with bluescum shows how bad you are.

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This doesn't really matter scum don't always do what you expect because they don't want you to catch them.

looooooool

Edosurist was clearly asking a rhetorical question.

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Edosurist was clearly asking a rhetorical question.

It reads rhetorical until you read the rest where he was clearly asking a serious question at which point you can see he is scum.

Rhetorical questions and serious questions are not mutually exclusive.

It's scaring me that penguin_alien is actually not being opportunistic here.

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Yeah, I am just a bit fed up with Majiffy and feel like we're not making much headway. Which is obviously not solved by disappearing. But disappearing does mean less stress! ^-^

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I have come to the conclusion that Peregrine is most likely blue scum. I do not like his formal / semi patronising tone and really he does not scumhunt at all. He defends a lot. And he townhunts.

VOTE: PeregrineV

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Penguin is town

Why is she red not blue again AA?

Is this another super secret tell? Because you are still behind one explanation.

Let's start with Slandaar.

why are you ignoring everything I'm asking you?

And you keep trying to confirm yourself as town.

Since that's not going to happen without proof, walk me through whatever posts you need to prove you are not bluescum. Do it like I'm 6.

Yep, this is good.

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I did not mean to quote #3335 but it is a good example of his patronising tone which really feels like scum trying to be nice and helpful rather than actual PeregrineV

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Peregrine gives in. Thanks for playing!

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PV reads town because he challenged me too much

Scum don't do that like ever once I take over the town because they don't want to encourage me to lynch them they want to leave me on my path.

Lynch Windup.

Since we're lynching bluescum today, and you've dismissed my argument about why windup isn't scum, then respond to 3424. It looks like what I was trying to say, but apparently communicates it better.

You know, casually reversing his read within 11 posts.

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I think PV is very likely to be scum after his complete change in read.

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That's nice.

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Yeah um

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Why would the game be over.

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Sweet.

Who are our two redscum, then? I'm pretty sure penguin_alien is one...

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Hey Slandaar, I still think you're Town. Hopefully you've come round to me being town too, because I think between us we have the reds nailed.

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Actually I'm not that sure because I need to read through your predecessors first.

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Guys what is the vote thing

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Actually, after Allyra talked about the vote thingo last night I went through the votecounts looking at the lynch totals, didn't see anything amiss :PP If I'd looked harder, I probably would have found that ? x 5

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I do think AA stands a significant chance of being scum. Even more so than penguin, perhaps. But I want everyone to pop their head in first.

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I was pretty sure you spent all of yesterday trying to show me as bluescum, don't tell me you're trying for redscum now.

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ArcAngel, everything about your play today from the fact that you made a vote right out of the gate to all your WIFOM arguments for why penguin is scum screams opportunism, which in turn screams scum.

I am going to meta you, and if I don't see similar play from you as town, I am going to vote you.

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Ugh, actually, I am not sure. I am going to have to read up on penguin too.

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Wind are you town?

Yes.

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Uuuuuuuuuuugh.

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I am confident that Jal is 100% town.

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No, not sure, yes, inconclusive hence #3596

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I'm present.

I do not have a good feeling about this at all. Can we take our time please Jal?

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Well whatever I have decided to vote AA tomorrow.

Just going to leave it for any last minute arguments but don't think my mind can be changed.

Unfortunately ArcAngel your arguments have not convinced me. However, a lot of points were put forward in the last 24 hours, I have considered them all and luckily for you everyone else's arguments especially Wind-ups have swayed me in this time and so the conclusion I have come to is thus;

VOTE: Penguin

What happened?

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Because that just screams "I am scumbuddies with ArcAngel".

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Rightio.

I'm town.

I am going to have to explain this because you both think I'm redscum, but hopefully I can show you that this is very implausible.

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Let's start here:

DeasVail

(6):

PeregrineV

,

Allyra

, Jal,

wind-up

,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up

(4):

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Can someone say 'counterwagon'? It's pretty clear that the red scum are trying to get me lynched instead of DeasVail.

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The reason I didn't vote penguin_alien yesterday was because ArcAngel threw me off with her quickvote. As you can see in the very first post of the day, I thought penguin_alien was scum and continued to suspect her throughout the day.

I did not expect ArcAngel to vote so quickly and confidently in LYLO. I still suspect her a bit for that, even though she turned out to be right.

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Speaking of which, today is definitely the day to take our time.

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LlamaFluff, who replaced Parama, who was

Leonard White, the driver of a 1998 Shelby Series 1 and a vanilla townie

, has been

run over

on Night 1.
Nachomamma8, who replaced SoraAdvent, who was

Alex Fields, the driver of a 2005 Volkswagen Jetta R GT and a vanilla townie

, has been

incarcerated

on Night 1.
Zdenek, who replaced nhammen, who was

Patricia Stevens, the driver of a 1989 Subaru XT6 and a vanilla townie

, has been

defenestrated

on Night 1.

BirdAndBeast (hydra of AngryPidgeon and mastin2), who was

Chester Goldstein, the driver of a 2012 BMW 135i and a vanilla townie

, has been

arrested

on Night 2.
Bumi, who was

Haukea Mana, the driver of a 1985 Mercury Capri RS and a neighbor

, has been

tied to the subway tracks

on Night 2.
njoseph, who was

Frederick Schultz, the driver of a 1970 Pontiac Firebird and an ascetic vigilante

, has been

blown up

on Night 2.

Baby Spice, who was

Millicent Klein, the driver of a 1999 Triumph Thunderbird Sport and a Death Bikers Mafia goon

, has had her vehicle

impounded

on Night 3.
thezmon221, who was

Seán Ó Briain, the driver of a 2009 Chevrolet Impala PPV and an NYPD Mafia goon

, has been

decapitated

on Night 3.

Albus Dumbledore, who was

Giuseppe Ricci, the driver of a 2005 Lamborghini Gallardo and a vanilla townie

, has been

deported

on Night 4.
Boniface, who replaced PMysterious, who was

Vincent Flynn, the driver of a 1979 Volkswagen Scirocco and a vanilla townie

, has been

set on fire

on Night 4.

Darthe, who replaced Roger Thornhill, who was

Irene Yates, the driver of a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X and a neighbor

, has been

stabbed

on Night 5.
Lurker, who replaced Skyhook, who replaced SlySly, who replaced KillerApple, who was

Richard Banks, the driver of a 2007 Honda Civic Type S and a vanilla townie

, has been

convicted of street racing

on Night 5.

Allyra, who replaced jmj3000, who replaced Robert2424, who was

Theodore Greene, the driver of a 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V and a vanilla townie

, has been

asphyxiated

on Night 6.

Slandaar, who replaced curiouskarmadog, who replaced havingfitz, who replaced Idioitking, who replaced Archetype, who replaced Bride of Sadistyx, who was

Dean Carter, the driver of a 2009 Dodge Challenger and a vanilla townie

, has been

impaled

on Night 7.

--

Mabes a good place to start looking.

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Oh man, now I'm not sure.

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;-;

This is really confusing. I am torn.

[wind-up]

Yeah, I'm obvious scum. Just like Slandaar.

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The problem is that ArcAngel's interactions with the red scum are scummy but the red scum's interactions with ArcAngel are townie, and the red scum's interactions with Jal are scummy but Jal's interactions with the red scum are townie.

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Also, NK WIFOM points to Jal. (I know.)

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Christ almighty. What the fuck.

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Slow it down. We don't even have a deadline. Considering that this is the decision which wins or loses us the game, I'd like it if we could take our time and get it right.

[wind-up]

i want Jal or Slaandar (who ever is the last town left in them) come and vote penguin....
wind up, please don't vote until Jal or Slaandar puts their vote. i don't want we have someone town put a vote on wrong person so that the two scum sheep immediately.

OK so this is scum

AA dies today.

VOTE: AA

Unfortunately ArcAngel your arguments have not convinced me. However, a lot of points were put forward in the last 24 hours, I have considered them all and luckily for you everyone else's arguments especially Wind-ups have swayed me in this time and so the conclusion I have come to is thus;

VOTE: Penguin

ArcAngel, this is what scared me about Slandaar. The fact that he seemed to turn his reads around in an entire post and vote for Penguin. I thought it could mean that he was scum with you and he had decided that it would be faster to win by voting penguin, since everyone else also suspected penguin.

Basically, I flipped out because I was worried and because it was just such a strange thing for Slandaar to do.

[wind-up]

unvote

checking something about Wind-up

What were you 'checking' about me?

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I totally looked in that list though.

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Hold up. I am not delivering yet because we have time and there is no rush.

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My internet literally went down in the middle of writing a post. Maybe it's a sign??

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Because I am a model citizen I saved the post though but I'll have to transfer it to my phone somehow.

Random thought: wouldn't it be terrible if there were actually 5 blue scum.

[wind-up]

b(.___.)b

Anyway. Internet's back up. Posting that post now.

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So remember when I said this?

The problem is that ArcAngel's interactions with the red scum are scummy but the red scum's interactions with ArcAngel are townie, and the red scum's interactions with Jal are scummy but Jal's interactions with the red scum are townie.

This was a problem because it meant I was not sure which of you was scum. I'll explain the reasoning behind it in the next few posts, and hopefully decisively make up my mind one way or the other. But right now, I think that what this means is that either ArcAngel is scum or Jal is very very very good scum. And of those two, I'm pretty sure it's the first option. But maybe things will change as I work my way through.

I guess I'll talk about why I think ArcAngel is scum to start off with, and then I'll post about why I might think Jal is scum, and then I'll conclude one way or the other and hopefully I am right and hopefully the other townie hammers with me at some point, because hammering me gets a big fat zero for town.

At the time that I made that first quote, I thought Jal was probably the final scum because of reasons that will come up later. But I was still so nervous about it that I kept searching through the game and your ISOs because I felt like -- or maybe it was just that I hoped :P -- that I was missing something big that would give me the key. And then I read this post.

B&B, can you point out real insight in AA's posts?

And that is when I started to take a closer look at ArcAngel's posts... and I will talk about them in (an) upcoming post(s).

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DeasVail

(6):

PeregrineV

,

Allyra

, Jal,

wind-up

,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up

(4):

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Why in the world would a red scum AA hammer their scum buddy like that?

Why not? Voting me would only have put me at five votes, and at that point I think it was reasonably clear that DeasVail (coasting along with zero effort) was considerably scummer than me.

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Assuming ArcAngel is redscum, Jal, she's shown absolutely no inhibitions to bussing her buddies anyway. See: Baby Spice, DeasVail, penguin_alien. But her stance has never been consistent on them and her reads on them seemingly come out of nowhere. I would be surprised if any of Arc's votes came with reasoning that isn't OMGUS.

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Meh. Every time I read through the game more I become more convinced that ArcAngel is scum.

Jal.

I honestly don't know why you want to vote me.

ArcAngel doesn't have any reasoning either. I doubt she's made an actual case on anyone this entire game.

What you need to see is this:

Almost all of ArcAngel's reads and votes literally come out of nowhere (there are a few exceptions). There is no read progression that leads to a vote. There is no reasoning behind her votes (unless they're on redscum).

Consider post #2479, where in her reads list ArcAngel says 'Babyspice leaning scum'. This is ArcAngel's 123rd post of the game. It is the fourth time ever ArcAngel has directly mentioned Baby Spice. On none on the other three times, including times where she is in direct conversation with Baby Spice, has ArcAngel even outlined the faintest degree of suspicion of Baby Spice.

Also of note in #2479 is 'Matt is not active here.. that is not his usual play style when he is town, so i will need to look at his posts again..'. It's scummy enough in itself when you consider that MattP's slot flipped read, but:
does she ever reassess the MattP slot? No. Does ArcAngel ever mention reads on killerjester or DeasVail, MattP's predecessor and successor respectively? No. But somehow she comes to the conclusion in #3153 that 'DeasVail looks more scummy' (i.e. than me).

No mention of jeck, girth, UVApe either... no mention of penguin_alien until she calls her scum in #3172.

You can explain away the lack of reasoning as 'gut' or just not posting well, but it's much more likely there was never any reasoning there in the first place.

Jal, you need to read through ArcAngel's posts. I only noticed how flimsy they were when I looked at them closely. I also need you to explain why you think I'm scum.

I am more or less ready to vote ArcAngel.

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Okay, I went through your posts. What I mainly did though was I went through some of AA's past games to look up her scum meta indepth.

This is going to be me mostly talking to myself.

Regarding busing, she seems to go in-between not mentioning her teammates (Posh Mafia) to busing those in her Simpson game. That can entirely fit in with what you're saying. The only difference though, is I'm finding her attitude just rubs off differently. She comes across as "smooth" (when she's not being attacked, then she gets OMGUSy) whereas here she's more jerky with her emotions. It's reminiscent of Uberninja's scum vs town gameplay.

I meta'd ArcAngel a while back too, and decided it was inconclusive (I posted such to Slandaar) because her scum play is just so varied and there isn't enough of a sample anyway.

But... I don't see how your description of "smooth"ness doesn't fit her play here. The thing is, she is being attacked all the time this game. I think the only reason she's not being OMGUSy now is because she misjudged the speed at which you would drop a vote.

I really think my case is more solid than meta. It quite simply illustrates something that shouldn't be there... ArcAngel's reads seemingly turn up out of thin air, and I think that is simply conclusive evidence that she is not town. Because that is not how townies gain their reads.

Wind-up, question: When you came into the game you immediately called out Penguin specifically as red scum:

I'm primarily looking at penguin_alien and Lurker's slots for redscum

Then you ended up voting for her the day before she was actually voted out.

But why didn't you vote for her then after calling her red scum most of the game?

Because ArcAngel's really fast vote on penguin, something which was really truly unnecessary given that 1) it was LYLO and 2) we had no deadline, made me suspect that she was scum opportunistically trying for a lynch. It gave me the jitters. You can see literally before ArcAngel's post I was ready to vote penguin. But the fact that Arc hopped it so quickly gave me bad vibes.

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ArcAngel's reads seemingly turn up out of thin air, and I think that is simply conclusive evidence that she is not town. Because that is not how townies gain their reads.

I really think this is just... the best reason you'll have for voting anyone all day. Short of ArcAngel admitting she's scum. Or being scum.

I am pretty proud of it. *blush*

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DeasVail

(6):

PeregrineV

,

Allyra

, Jal,

wind-up

,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up

(4):

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Why in the world would a red scum AA hammer their scum buddy like that?

Why not? Voting me would only have put me at five votes, and at that point I think it was reasonably clear that DeasVail (coasting along with zero effort) was considerably scummer than me.

thanks for bringing this up Jal, Exactly my point. Why would i hammer DeasVail while I can put Wind-up at L-1 make it equal. its not like no one doesn't want vote wind-up, Wind up had a very poor defence all along.

Riiiight. Actually, you might recall that my votes were the result of my predecessor's actions. (Actually he totally nailed PeregrineV with that reaction test come to think of it.) You hammered DeasVail because you thought it would give you towncred. Putting me at L-1 does nothing. Wasn't even LYLO. If I had been lynched, Slandaar would have suspected you even more.

Assuming ArcAngel is redscum, Jal, she's shown absolutely no inhibitions to bussing her buddies anyway. See: Baby Spice, DeasVail, penguin_alien. But her stance has never been consistent on them and her reads on them seemingly come out of nowhere. I would be surprised if any of Arc's votes came with reasoning that isn't OMGUS.

The reason I am quite confident on you becuase how you're coming on me that i am the last red scum and not bothered to even consider that JAL would be possible scum too.

I did in fact consider that Jal was redscum earlier in the day, in two posts in one of which I said that the nightkills pointed to Jal over you. When did you ever consider that Jal was possible redscum?

Angel, do you have anything to say to his posts?

Yes, I thought i would do a long catch up on Wind-up but he made this really simple for me through his recent posts that he is final RED scum. the other day the reason why I unvoted him and took time to catch up becuase I wanted to give him a benefit of doubt and check on your ISO.

Really? You only posted that you were checking something about me, and then everything from then on was you saying that you were ready to vote whenever Jal was.

And i am pretty sure the last scum is Wind-up for two simple reasons...

A) the way he is reapeatedly telling us that how i am the final red scum with no relevant proof's, and not even considering the possiblity that you could be red scum too. Like, he hasn't even checked or said anything about you at all becuase he think it is easy to frame and convience you to vote me.
B) the way he responsded to your question about Deasvil hammer, It was very very transperant that I had every oppurtunity to turn the game to my side if I am the scum but i rather lynched Deasvils shows that i am town. and his explanation that how i end bussing my scummate instead of taking my best chance of winning looks stupid. At least i am not that dumb for sure!!!

A) lol 'no relevant proofs' How is my point about your reads not relevant huh?
B) lol

Over All, Wind-up posts are actually helped me today to determine that he is the final RED scum. The reason i took time becuase i wanted to check if you could be the final red scum or not, and i am now 100% confident that you're not the red scum and it is indded Wind up.

Hence...

VOTE: Wind-up

I'm pretty sure you "determined" I was final red scum after I said Slandaar and you could be buddies yesterday... you did vote me straight away today, remember?

Jal, Join with me and take the winning hammer.... Let's celebrate the Town victory tonight. :)

lol

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VOTE: ArcAngel9

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That last post rather hilariously well represents your play this game.

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Haha, well done Jal, and to the red team overall.

I really don't see how Arc's reads turned up out of nowhere. That for me was much more of a factor than the things I were considering for Jal scum, which were Heather's play, the nightkills, and scumbuddy interactions.

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Consider post #2479, where in her reads list ArcAngel says 'Babyspice leaning scum'. This is ArcAngel's 123rd post of the game. It is the fourth time ever ArcAngel has directly mentioned Baby Spice. On none on the other three times, including times where she is in direct conversation with Baby Spice, has ArcAngel even outlined the faintest degree of suspicion of Baby Spice.

Also of note in #2479 is 'Matt is not active here.. that is not his usual play style when he is town, so i will need to look at his posts again..'. It's scummy enough in itself when you consider that MattP's slot flipped red, but:
does she ever reassess the MattP slot? No. Does ArcAngel ever mention reads on killerjester or DeasVail, MattP's predecessor and successor respectively? No. But somehow she comes to the conclusion in #3153 that 'DeasVail looks more scummy' (i.e. than me).

No mention of jeck, girth, UVApe either... no mention of penguin_alien until she calls her scum in #3172.

Buddies, how does this even happen.

How do you manage to develop scumreads on the three other scum players for the first time literally before they are about to be lynched and not be scum.

D:

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About the setup: I really feel like Town got the short end of the stick, given how often Vigilantes are prone to being wrong and that Doctor saves don't actually confirm anyone in multiball. Other than that... two Neighbours? In 25 players? In my opinion, there should have been at least one strong investigative Power Role; a Flavour Cop, for example.