NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Human Destroyer]

Also, this is a classic catch-22.
People ask for reasons on AA9.
Give none, I'm scum.
Give them, I'm still scum.

I already told you the read wasn't strong.

I don't even know what this is supposed to be an appeal to. Emotion? I don't know if I can even call it that.

Your reasons are literally the definition of terrible. (Golden Rule: If HD can take it apart like an Oreo, it isn't good)

Yeah, I meant since, you know, Metal Sonic and all. Anyway, we really need to stop starting the game out like this.

Metal should be mainly in charge of the Hydra

, I'll post if I see anything important, otherwise, I'm gonna try and focus on my other games.

How can there be any debate about if a Hydra trying to be anonymous should be pressured or not? Unless I missed something, the more information available, the more it helps the village. Also, while I tend to support policy lynches, policy lynching over a self-vote seems kinda . . . meh.

~KX

Oh god no

KX why are you doing this

KX stahp

Also how about you give some reads boi

P-Edit: Ever heard of that thing called curiosity? That exists among players often. Oh wait, but everything has to have an alignment-indicative motivation! Riiiiiight. Even I found myself curious about the contents of the hydra.

And also, meta CAN apply to hydras if you know how to use it.

P-P-Edit: P-Edit is @ Mastcain

P-P-P-Edit: STAHP POSTAN'

[Metal Overlord]

Also, obviously it's a huge over-explanation, but isn't an explanation better then nothing, and even if it wasn't, how is it anti-town? Do think the suspicion is pretty damn weak though.

@TheUnderachivers, how exactly does Meta not apply to a Hydra? And as far as I know, the village has more to gain since it gives them a sense of playstyle and conpetancy, while scum doesn't gain that much, the person remains a threat, nothing more and nothing less. If they're a nube, and known to be like that, scum loses the chance to run a vote against them, and if they're compitant, that should be apparent regardless of meta. ~KX

@BT/HD, didn't you read my last post?

[TheUnderachivers]

Anyone who can see and read can you tell you that my vote was a harmless RVS vote. I just randomly started with vote hydras and chose your becuz i know you.. that was it.

And that was all I needed to hear. The reason you chose

our

hydra over any others.

Scumread revoked, you can be town now.

[Metal Overlord]

lol wtf can we vote this guy?

[BT]

...You really need to wait to hear that?

MO, obviously, I'm talking about this page ~ last page. Your vote's still on HD.

[TheUnderachivers]

Gah, if it's not me, it's Mastin. Getting mislynched on day 1 in our first two games? This a bad way to start our hydra.

[BT]

It's like you're doing your best to attract votes.

[Metal Overlord]

I'm sorry, but scumread, even light, just for a person voting you, and then trying to explain the vote in other terms . . . no, just no. Not sure if stupid or scum at this point.

~KX

P-Edit: oh, yeah, UNVOTE:

[Human Destroyer]

I'm sorry, but scumread, even light, just for a person voting you, and then trying to explain the vote in other terms . . . no, just no. Not sure if stupid or scum at this point.

Mastin and Nero aren't stupid.

[TheUnderachivers]

Meta doesn't apply to hydras because literally anyone who's been in a hydra knows that their partner influences their play.
For instance--I model my play a lot off of the member I'm hydra'ing with--in this case, mirroring how Nero posts only with less derogatory curse words.

The only meta applicable to a hydra is meta from that hydra's previous games if you know the members are the same. Otherwise, it's useless.
Posting styles and the like are something you can observe from the hydra. Like, you know we're a spamposter. You'd know that if you knew Nero's/myself's styles, but you'd not need to know we're Nero/Mastin to know this; you'd know it because the evidence is right there in front of you.
You'd know, say, a lurker-hydra because they're lurking; knowing the members inside lurk just tells you that with an extra step.

As I said, it accomplishes literally nothing as town.
But as scum...it DOES do something, via letting you know how badly that player needs to be nightkilled.

[ArcAngel9]

could you guys use some sign.. i sometimes i have no clue..if the hydra is nero or mastin2

[Antilles]

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

I'm not even certain I'm reading this right. I'll come back with some content soon.

We're out of RVS so I'm straight up not voting as such.

THIS JUST IN: HD v MO reads TvT to me; agree, disagree? Discuss.

PEDIT: TU is probtown too.

PEDIT2: I've never enjoyed ArcAngel9. Discuss.

[Metal Overlord]

And if that I'm just saying now was shown on another page, then sorry, I skimmed the thread. I didn't intend to make more then one post, so.

VOTE: TheUnderachivers ~KX

P-EDIT: TvT?

P-EDIT2: gdi I never thought I'd say this but I think we need to post less.

[TheUnderachivers]

I've never enjoyed ArcAngel9. Discuss

she's ok. Her game needs some work but I'd rather play with her than a lot of the players on this site.

[TheUnderachivers]

could you guys use some sign.. i sometimes i have no clue..if the hydra is nero or mastin2

I use smileys, Nero doesn't.
Well, uses 'em less often, anyway.

And that's a GOOD thing that you can't tell the difference. That's the whole point of my posting.

If I need to go all Mastin on ya to stop us from being mislynched, I will, but otherwise, I'm posting as close as I can get to being Nero for the time being. At this stage in the game, it's for the best.

[Metal Overlord]

Also, another thing I wanted to add, since even a single player won't play the same in two games (probably) I would think Meta would be better then nothing, and accomplish the point of letting you know something so that the player isn't a blank sheet. Also, with two people in the same Hydra posting without distinction, how the hell is that pro-town? As far as I can tell, all it would do is make getting a read harder and make differences and slips explanable. ~KX

[Bulbazak]

First:

Unvote

I believe I understand how BT plays better now...

ArcAngel - SCUM AS ALWAYS

Bulbazak - Scummy

Everyone else - town as of so far

That's seriously all you've gotten out of the game so far? Please explain.

UA, AA9 voting for you is not a good reason to believe she is scum. That is null at best. And having played with her before, she is playing incredibly town here.

AA9 scumread is gut. Voting for a hydra is one thing. Voting for a hydra when they've done nothing to distinguish themselves from the other hydras, with the justification of it being a hydra, is entirely another. Voting for a hydra for being a hydra and giving an additional reason for why

that

hydra would be fine, but that's not what happened. It shows potentially-selective-scumhunting. Hence, the callout on AA9 being scum.

That vote was an RVS vote. There was no selective scumhunting there, because there was no scumhunting yet, BECAUSE IT WAS FREAKING RVS! It is a null tell. Get over yourself and find some actual scum.

Oh. Forgot this. The bad posts from BT:

Because town do also do it sometimes "for the lols" or "for reactions, derp". Which is why scum feel that they can get away with it and why it needs to be forcibly eradicated. I don't mind whether you call it a policy lynch or just a lynch if that makes you feel better but it is a pro-scum move that should be punished with a lynch.

ChannelDelibird, ChannelDelibird, it rhymes with ChannelDeliturd.

It's not as horribly anti-town as you're making it out to be. Are you one of those players that go "PL PL" over something meh like this instead of useless and/or consistently anti-town play as a whole?

It wasn't until your next post that you voted for yourself, which makes your self vote look like a self conscious attempt to not vote someone else.

Don't get this. Why is this true as a second post and not as a first post?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bulbazak

Bad vote, bad logic, questioning Titan who is a townread.

Knowing how he plays, the vote wasn't bad, his logic was spot on, and questioning a townread does not automatically equal scum. And I wouldn't go as far as to say that Titan is an unquestionable townread.

Vote Titan

His attack on the self-vote, yet avoidance of the wagon screams scum.

[TheUnderachivers]

Do whatever it takes to stop these Dumbo's from mislynching us.

[ArcAngel9]

could you guys use some sign.. i sometimes i have no clue..if the hydra is nero or mastin2

I use smileys, Nero doesn't.
Well, uses 'em less often, anyway.

And that's a GOOD thing that you can't tell the difference. That's the whole point of my posting.

If I need to go all Mastin on ya to stop us from being mislynched, I will, but otherwise, I'm posting as close as I can get to being Nero for the time being. At this stage in the game, it's for the best.

well you just gave me a clue. that will do!!!!

KX, what are your expectations to discover from people meta, people are not always the same. Meta is good to apply at some places but i really doubt if that helps on Day 1, we are just starting through and i see no reason anyone would slip this early you to judge them through their meta.

This is my personal belief though.

[TheUnderachivers]

Also, with two people in the same Hydra posting without distinction, how the hell is that pro-town?

Gets a sense of unity. Makes you feel like you're dealing with one player rather than two. Dunno, really.

How the hell is it anti-town to not be able to distinguish between two players in the same slot? They have the same role, they share the same alignment, that's all you need to know. Who posted what is irrelevant. The important piece is that it was posted.

This is also exactly why knowing who makes up a hydra is worthless.

As I said. Town reason, none.
Scum reason, lets 'em know who to eliminate.

[ArcAngel9]

unvote

back to...

VOTE: Keybladewielder, he said he was catching up and in 5 mins later, he came up with a terrible read. he did nothing but just playing dumb. that is scummy!!!

[TheUnderachivers]

That's seriously all you've gotten out of the game so far? Please explain.

This is good.

Forgot to mention earlier that Keyblade was scum, and it was for pretty much this.

[BT]

Sure.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Keybladewielder

[Metal Overlord]

@AA, just a sense of how somebody plays. If somebody plays noticeable different between scum and village, but you don't know they're that player, it obviously helps them only as scum. Meta is far from the best thing to go off of, but I find knowing it to be preferable to the opposite. It also makes it so you don't have to play with a person for a while to get a sense of how they play.

@Under, what you say is true if the person is town, however, consider if the person were to be scum. In that case, it's much better for the town to be able to read them. If you have two people posting as one person, unseparated, it means that posting style, and possibly even views or opinions could change between the two. As scum, some things that might be done would be disguised by this. If the two people can post exactly the same, and make sure they have completely congruent opinions, then yes, I agree with you, but I don't believe that could be maintained perfectly.

[Metal Overlord]

~KX