Mini 1430 - Pokémon uPick Mafia (Game Over!)

[Aj The Epic]

Hooray for Pokemon. Just looking at the vote count, I'm guessing someone has got some issues on the person I replaced into. I'll find them while reading.

[fuzzybutternut]

Hey AJ!

[nopointinactingup]

What scummy intentions do you perceive to be in HM's posts? Can you make a case?

35 and following seem to me like opportunistic scum trying to get role info out of newbtown PR with an early softclaim. It's usually only newbtown and scum that pick out and comment on soft claims, and I don't peg him as newb. That's the core of what Glork and my argument was about. I also don't like HM's following points trying to deflect the wagon and basically refusing to scumhunt until he's not wagoned anymore.

I really hope "Appeal to Glork" isn't a thing around here... I'm sure the tell has some merit, but he's very much forcing it in this case.

That's a really bad argument. Role-Fishing is almost never employed by scums, especially at the beginning of the game. And why would scums try to get a role fish on a "newbtown"? Scums are usually passive with a laying low tendency, not a game dominate tendency.

As for the refusing to scumhunt, I think it's neutral. Could be frustrated town or pressured scum. The thing is there's not much pressure for it to be a pressured scum move.

Ask Paladin.

Fuzzy does, in general, give off a slightly scummy VI vibe.

I'm sort of concerned by the VI read on HM. He's implied that he's played elsewhere, so I'm not sure that's a fair analysis.

You have a scummy read on fuzzy, yet you think HM "role-fished" fuzzy?

[Seanald]

Aj you better town tell hard, cuz fuckin mad hatter was probably scum who got pissed he got nabbed and had a wagon that large that quick. happens all the time now that Im thinking about it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Seanald, that literally sounds like "Your slot was scum, but I don't want to lynch you so you'd better act like town."

[serrapaladin]

UNVOTE:
Hi AJ.

You haven't really read this, nopoint, have you. The discussion was about fuzzy's meta, and my comment was that he GENERALLY gives off a scummy VI vibe. I do not read him as scum this game.

Fuzzy's softclaim implied his role will in some way be useful to town. Scum will want to know what way that might be. Your assertion that scum rarely employs rolefishing is plain wrong. If they think they'll get away with it, so for example if directed at newbtown, scum will certainly do it.

[Seanald]

Seanald, that literally sounds like "Your slot was scum, but I don't want to lynch you so you'd better act like town."

dont care what it sounds like. Your just going to let mad hatter's rage quit go?

[fuzzybutternut]

No, but there are different ways to approach it. For all we know, something came up in Hatter's life. Or he just got uninterested in the game. Who knows.

[Glork]

Seanald, that literally sounds like "Your slot was scum, but I don't want to lynch you so you'd better act like town."

No, it sounds like reaching really hard to make a site flake look like a "rage quit" for getting "caught."

Vote: Seanald

[Seanald]

^ so your saying you havn't seen scum do that?, I just got outta a game where this happened.

[fuzzybutternut]

It's not a scum tell, Seanald. It's a null tell, at most.

[Seanald]

idk, maybe im jaded because I just seen it happen in another game I'm in.

[fuzzybutternut]

I was that way for the longest time, but it's not a town way to look at things.

[Lord Mhork]

Hi, AJ. Catch up quickly, yeah?

[Aj The Epic]

I'll willing to leave Fuzzy alone for now and let him be vidgebait or a later lynch.

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: HadMatter

Glork's case is a stretch and a half.

I don't do wall quotes any more replacing in. So I just got this one. I've always believed in more ebbs and flows of a game then actual talking since I can be a lazy sunuvabitch when playing this game. But to this point, other than RVS, this vote quoted has been the most out of place in the whole game. Why? Well, let's talk about placement. Tbg is going to vote Fuzzy and attribute if not make fuzzy the highest wagon, placing pressure. At the same time, his questions were basically non-factors in my mind, and slightly if not completely inconsequential to the proceedings (obvious, in future pages). The fuzzy wagon is going to be stopped from going any farther forward by Wisdom and his conversation with Fuzzy. TBG tries to push his questions (again, both kind of/sort of answered and unimportant) and push them again before claiming them answered and forcing another wagon. Now, I of course hold the slot of one of these wagons, therefore having, to say the least, a unique view of the proceedings, but even barring that the vote is rather ill-timed. He seems to be trying to carry as much weight right before a fuzzy lynch becomes unpopular, heading to a second 'suspect', HM.

Distancing is, in my mind, a beginner scum tactic at the first and most basic levels of WIFOM. I personally do not believe Serra to be that trivial after having played a few games against him, but have never witnessed him playing scum. However, I think a distancing tactic is so unrefined as a scum player that it would show a novice mistake if anything by a scum team. The only issue is distancing is a really easy habit to slip into and very hard to make it seem any realistic whatsoever. It has to be balanced below a bus and above a -null- read. Hence, performing it correctly where no one notices is improbable.

Glork catching something of this sort means that it should be reviewed. I didn't catch the wording on my first reading and hence probably had zero chance of ever getting it. I'll definitely want to look into that.

HOWEVER, let it be known that these first few days will be shaky activity wise. I am making a car trip to Florida and will be driving hard basically on four hours of sleep tomorrow and the proceeding day (friday) until arriving. I expect to be able to find a place of internet once there.

Some things to note: I wouldn't take a fuzzy lynch here. Not now, when we can take a better option out. Glork, Wisdom both should be off the board. Depending on reading depends on Serra, but I personally think the best lynches come in the form of TBG or Seanald. I won't make comment on his "You better come off pro-town as fuck" because yes it's stupid, and yes he's already been rebuked for it. Note it, put it away for later.

VOTE: TBG

[Aj The Epic]

Aj the Epic (formerly HadMatter) (3) - Lord Mhork, serrapaladin, Seanald
serrapaladin (5) - Limo, fuzzybutternut, Glork, Baby Spice, Wisdom (L-2)
HadMatter (1) - TehBrawlGuy

Also @mod: TBG is on me yet? Regardless, there's a double HM/Aj

[TehBrawlGuy]

It didn't really matter what the questions were, the point was that I was asking them repeatedly and watching him intentionally skip them.

[serrapaladin]

Depending on reading depends on Serra

Huh? What does this mean?

Glork doesn't need to to be lynched, he just needs to start making sense.

He fabricates this great associative tell between Seanald and me, votes me for it, and switches to Seanald when my wagon stalls. I understand you like your tell, but still: for shame!

Aj, I wouldn't discount Wisdom that easily, but I think you might have a point about TBG.

VOTE: TBG

[Limo]

I'm sure your wagon will pick up the pace in no time, serra.

Godspeed, gentlemen.

[Lord Mhork]

UNVOTE: AJ the Epic

I like your catch up post. Let me look TehBrawlGuy over.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Mhm, because I'm scummy for forcing an uncooperative, useless Town to talk. Gotcha.

[Baby Spice]

This is not an anti-prod post.


Got tied up with kids etc.

[nopointinactingup]

UNVOTE:
Fuzzy's softclaim implied his role will in some way be useful to town. Scum will want to know what way that might be. Your assertion that scum rarely employs rolefishing is plain wrong. If they think they'll get away with it, so for example if directed at newbtown, scum will certainly do it.

Not at the beginning of the game, while they have no communication on fuzzy's role if he is supposedly town.

Aj you better town tell hard, cuz fuckin mad hatter was probably scum who got pissed he got nabbed and had a wagon that large that quick. happens all the time now that Im thinking about it.

This sounds very odd. If you are town who wants to catch MH-scum, then you wouldn't encourage the slot to be townish.

Unvote.Vote: Seanald

I don't see the case against TBG. AJ, can you briefly summarize it?

[Seanald]

If you are town who wants to catch MH-scum, then you wouldn't encourage the slot to be townish.

you mean I would to discourage a myslynch. I've been wrong on plently of reads before on day 1, I got all hyped up cuz i just seen scum do exactly what mad hatter did in another game so I was feeling it was the same situation here.

[Lord Mhork]

I could maybe see TehBrawlGuy scum. Can someone give me their version of the case?