Mini 1434 - Flavorless Mafia! D4: Not quite so silent

[Zang]

11 pages in two days is too much, especially when less than half of it is actual content. This game really has been a pain to read.

Unvote

Vote: Bacde

He has posted a lot of reads to make it seem like he is scumhunting but has actually explained nothing including his reasoning for voting or unvoting Venmar and hasn't really done anything productive for the town. Some of his meta was posted and I'll look at it later when I have time to read something besides this game.

I have a very slight town read on Venmar. I also have a leaning scum read on Kise and ArcAngel. I can't read sven. From majiffy, I've seen both incredible proscum and protown motivations throughout his posts. I'm getting a mixed read from BBmolla also.

ArcAngel- Do you have any actual content to add to the game?

You have just sheeped onto someone, accusing them of sheeping.

That is what is called a random vote.

The shitty vote, and the really pathetic attempt at disabling the argument of him-being-a-good-PL-by-reason-of-sucking.

1. I thought that vote was quite obviously random
2. I'm not sure what you're saying in the second part but I think it's quite unreasonable to base your opinion on someone's play from meta over two years old.
3. Are you actually saying that you want me to be lynched?

Town
Kise
BBMolla
Zang (Probably)

Probably Bacde's scum partners
Majiffy (chainsaw defense w/ toasty sheep)
Ms Marangal
Svenstagel stahl
Toasty (obv chainsaw defense)

Why do you give reasoning for two reads but not the others? What is your reasoning for the others? Also, why did you vote someone who you didn't even list as a scum read?

I don't have any clear reads on anybody else... Except maybe Parama who was actually pretty funny too

So then what is your read on Parama and why did you not include it with the others?

Majiffy might be town

Sven is town tho for being hilarious

I'm cool w/ Parama

Again, what is your reasoning for these reads? In case you didn't know, being hilarious is not a valid town read.

BEcause that wagon was a RVS wagon, Bacde's wagon is the first serious wagon and it has no base to it

What makes his wagon serious? I read kise's vote as random.

that sentence there where I said something about Venmar seems shifty meant that I do have a read on you, indicated by the word "and". The "and" was in reference to the previous keyword "except", meaning that Parama AND Venmar were exceptions to that clear read phrase

However, the capital "A" in "And" and the fact that it is on a seperate line indicate that it was a seperate statement then your exception to Parama.

If this is true though, then why separate Venmar from your other reads?

Kise and BBMola are likely town tbh.

why?

apparently I'm also impossible for you to read

This is based on the assumption that you are town.

^^Note that Venmar modded that game yet seems to think for whatever reason that I am scum this game

Meta is not a free pass to scummy behavior.

Bacde makes two very WIFOMy posts, Molla hops on the bandwagon reasonlessly after Kise starts it.

So your entire case is based off of his vote four pages before this post?

If you want real scum, look no further than AA9, Four & Monk. Classic scum lurkfucks.

Besides the fact that lurkking isn't scummy regardless of how long it's been, the game just started less than two days ago. How can you reasonably accuse anybody of lurking?

Already answered this.

Is there a reason why you could not quote it or post it again?

I don't think its likely scum will harp on people wondering why they are being townread

This is WIFOM.

Unvote

ok, who are we voting for then?

Why did you unvote?

^ Scum Molla wouldn't actually be interested in following up on something as inane as Toastyscum Meta. Shows he's actually trying to discern the alignments of others, and thus is town.

So, why are you unvoting now over 100 posts later?

Town Reads
{BBmolla, Ms Marangal, Toasty, Kise, Bacde, FourTrouble}

Scum Reads
{Parama, Zang, Venmar}

Nulls
{Lord Mhork, Sven, ArcAngel9}

That's some very good reasoning you have there.

VOTE: Parama

Reasoning?

[Bacde]

You know we probably only have like 3 scum, right? So if you're wrong about only three of them... yeah.

jokes

I make them

[Majiffy]

{

BBmolla

, Ms Marangal, Toasty,

Kise

,}

I'm willing to work w/

Town

AA9
Sven

BBMolla

Kise

Probably only wrong about 3 of those townreads

AA

,

Sven

,

BB

are all town.

Ok so we have mutual townreads on each other, plus shared BBMolla. Italicized the ones you two share, and underlined the ones either of you share with me.

Let's start with the people none of us have a town read on, eh? Like Venmar, or Parama.

[Majiffy]

Mother of god that wall.

[Ms Marangal]

Hey! where's my analysis?

[FourTrouble]

Zang is anti-town as fuck.

[Bacde]

{

BBmolla

, Ms Marangal, Toasty,

Kise

,}

I'm willing to work w/

Town

AA9
Sven

BBMolla

Kise

Probably only wrong about 3 of those townreads

AA

,

Sven

,

BB

are all town.

Ok so we have mutual townreads on each other, plus shared BBMolla. Italicized the ones you two share, and underlined the ones either of you share with me.

Let's start with the people none of us have a town read on, eh? Like Venmar, or Parama.

I don't have a townread on Venmar per se but there's a reason I don't want to vote him right now (secret)

Vote: Parama

lets see where this rabbit-hole goes

@Parama, why is it so important for you to address specifically majiffy?

[Ms Marangal]

Zang is anti-town as fuck.

Maybe, but I'm inclined to believe that he's town who doesn't know the intricacies of mafia

[Majiffy]

1. I thought that vote was quite obviously random
2. I'm not sure what you're saying in the second part but I think it's quite unreasonable to base your opinion on someone's play from meta over two years old.
3. Are you actually saying that you want me to be lynched?

1. Sure didn't look random.
2. Depends. Have you played with him since then?
3. Yes.

So your entire case is based off of his vote four pages before this post?

You mean when I originally voted him, 4 pages earlier? Fancy that.

So, why are you unvoting now over 100 posts later?

You're a big boy. Why don't you read the context and figure that out.

Reasoning?

Cuz he's scum. But you know what? You're worse.
VOTE: Zang

[FourTrouble]

Bacde, I do want to know why Kise is town.

[Majiffy]

No, town doesn't spend a giant wall basically discrediting any attempt at scumhunting or debasing early-game reads in the way Zang has.

Definitely playing third-party-trying-to-look-town.

[Bacde]

Town
Kise
BBMolla
Zang (Probably)

Probably Bacde's scum partners
Majiffy (chainsaw defense w/ toasty sheep)
Ms Marangal
Svenstagel stahl
Toasty (obv chainsaw defense)

Why do you give reasoning for two reads but not the others? What is your reasoning for the others? Also, why did you vote someone who you didn't even list as a scum read?

lol I don't really know how to make my joke posts more obvious

I don't have any clear reads on anybody else... Except maybe Parama who was actually pretty funny too

So then what is your read on Parama and why did you not include it with the others?

My read on Parama is that he is pretty funny, and that he possibly feels insecure about me being funny too

Majiffy might be town

Sven is town tho for being hilarious

I'm cool w/ Parama

Again, what is your reasoning for these reads? In case you didn't know, being hilarious is not a valid town read.

Actually it can be

apparently I'm also impossible for you to read

This is based on the assumption that you are town.

Yes, yes it is

I don't think its likely scum will harp on people wondering why they are being townread

This is WIFOM.

I guess every scumtell and towntell is WIFOM then

[Bacde]

Bacde, I do want to know why Kise is town.

Ok, this is gonna be weird

Basically, Kise was hilarious on p2, and it was completely out of the blue, and had no game-motivation except to be funny

Spoiler:

This is something I see 9/10 times from town

Spoiler:

In fact, this tell is so accurate, that if you see someone who is usually funny being particularly unfunny in a game of mafia, they are probably scum

I have seen this tell work time and time again on epicmafia, and I didn't want to immediately apply it to forum mafia but I'm seeing it be true here as well

I'm not 100% sure why it works, but I think it has something to do w/ the information differential between town/scum, and of course how scum tend to be nervous. Nervous people are just less funny, period. But also, I think town likes to make light of how they have no information, and it can be particularly fun to do so, and scum have a hard time replicating that innocent mindset.

Parama has been funny this game, but I haven't seen a single post stick out to me that screams "this is a bacde-humor-town-tell"

Also, if you see someone make a particularly bad or forced joke, then you can safely call it a scumtell

[Bacde]

No, town doesn't spend a giant wall basically discrediting any attempt at scumhunting or debasing early-game reads in the way Zang has.

Definitely playing third-party-trying-to-look-town.

What if Zang is just bad?

its no crime to be bad at mafia

its just a crime to be mafia

[Ms Marangal]

Bacde, I do want to know why Kise is town.

Ok, this is gonna be weird

Basically, Kise was hilarious on p2, and it was completely out of the blue, and had no game-motivation except to be funny

Spoiler:

This is something I see 9/10 times from town

Spoiler:

In fact, this tell is so accurate, that if you see someone who is usually funny being particularly unfunny in a game of mafia, they are probably scum

I have seen this tell work time and time again on epicmafia, and I didn't want to immediately apply it to forum mafia but I'm seeing it be true here as well

I'm not 100% sure why it works, but I think it has something to do w/ the information differential between town/scum, and of course how scum tend to be nervous. Nervous people are just less funny, period. But also, I think town likes to make light of how they have no information, and it can be particularly fun to do so, and scum have a hard time replicating that innocent mindset.

Parama has been funny this game, but I haven't seen a single post stick out to me that screams "this is a bacde-humor-town-tell"

Also, if you see someone make a particularly bad or forced joke, then you can safely call it a scumtell

this is why Kise is town?

[Majiffy]

If he's just bad then we rid ourselves of an anti-town presence early on in the game and can focus on working with town voting blocs and finding scum.

He's trying to stop town working together in groups; that's not pro-town. And reeks distinctly of scum/3rd party

[Ms Marangal]

*counters with, has seen people be funny as scum just to seem like they are active and participating in the game*

[Majiffy]

Or, for that matter, genuinely active, participating, funny scum.

Such as myself, when I'm scum.

[Ms Marangal]

Seriously Bacde, that's a pretty weak ass reason to call someone town. he could have made that post just so he could try to fit in, I agree that Kise is one of the likely scummy people in this game, and Zang is probably too although I'm getting the feeling that Zang is just a bad player.

[Majiffy]

Kise looks town to me, but for actual reasons.

Hop on the Zangwagon.

[Ms Marangal]

Eventually, I haz a special hammer ability that I wanna use

[Bacde]

I knew you guys wouldn't like it

But this tell is genius

Its not just about being funny--you have to look at context

notice that I think Parama is hilarious yet I'm voting him

[Bacde]

*counters with, has seen people be funny as scum just to seem like they are active and participating in the game*

yes but this is different, and the context will be different

[Majiffy]

Mara - Oh god you're a McQueen aren't you?

[Venmar]

No, I don't lynch people on the basis that they might be town, I only lynch people on the basis they might be scum. I wont allow it.( glares at Majiffy )

Unvote

The proposed idea that being funny is a direct town tell is so interesting and off-the-wall that I think it just came from town.