Mini 1426 - Hell's Bottom

[qwints]

Why are we giving scum any more information at this point? What possible benefit do we get by finishing the mass claim today?

[Rainbowdash]

So...what's the setup you're thinking of then?

I was thinking of all vanilla but Elyse and the some weak scum one off (one shot gunsmith, etc) to make it essentially mountainous. Was thinking this was two scum up until that claim.

Given that thats me claiming vanilla, flay can claim next.

@qwints - Because like Desp said, that was a really bad investigation if you are scum. Depending on what massclaim is, it could cleanly confirm you or not just for balance reasons.

[qwints]

Because like Desp said, that was a really bad investigation if you are scum.

Huh?

[Rainbowdash]

Because like Desp said, that was a really bad investigation if you are scum.

Huh?

You know what I ment.

The investigation was a really bizzare choice, although im actually pretty glad you have a clear on Elyse after the NK. But you dont normally investigate the player you are planning to be voting, hit the outside null suspects because its easier to "change" reads.

As I said, we are finishing massclaim.

[10506670]

No votes on anyone.

[qwints]

. But you dont normally investigate the player you are planning to be voting, hit the outside null suspects because its easier to "change" reads.

Except for the fact that a nk going through meant we'd be in Lylo if we had 3 scum. My "obv-scum" post at the end of the day gave me the ability to push a lynch on my guilty target without arising suspicion, meaning scum might have a chance to get another investigation in without scum being aware of my role. I can certainly understand the argument that a Desparado investigation wasn't optimal, but calling bizarre just doesn't make sense. Here's why you can know I'm actually a cop:

1) Breadcrumbed D1
2) Reported result of my N1 investigation in my first D2 post
3) Reported result of my N2 investigation in my first D3 post

Why I chose Elyse - she got on the AA wagon in a somewhat awkward way. She had several posts complaining about the AA wagon, then says she's willing to join it because of the lack of progress and finally only votes after a vote count. I got town and behaved accordingly.

Why I chose Desperado - I didn't want to lose if he was a VI.

RBD, what possible benefit do we get out of continuing the mass claim? Set-up spec leads me to guess that, at most, there's some sort of protective role left. If we don't claim, scum have to figure out whether to shoot Elyse or me while worrying about a protective role. If we do, scum can plan their night actions accordingly. Why help them?

[qwints]

EBWOP "meaning I might have a chance to get another investigation in without scum being aware of my role"

[Rainbowdash]

EBWOP "meaning I might have a chance to get another investigation in without scum being aware of my role"

Force scum to make a play a day early. They probably can tell exactly what the setup is in a mini, last few ive been in as scum once a couple town PRs claimed I knew exactly what to be expecting. Most recently I was in a two scum team, tracker and cop claimed which ment we had a traitor for sure and given other players behavior there was another PR meaning our traitor should have a role. Right on all accounts.

Basically good scum should know whats going on at this point. All that holding cards to ourselves is going to do is make our decisions more uninformed. Besides... all thats left is Flay/YOLO/DH and I would put quite a few bits on being able to correctly peg them all as PR/not PR already. Two in particular who really need to work on their signals. Also no im not saying what it is until after they claim because there is one instance where I would lynch a PR/VT claim without hesitation.

So yeah, we are finishing the claim here.

[qwints]

It doesn't help that half the town seemed to have checked out of the game. I really wish conf-town Elyse was posting more right now.

[Elyse]

What do you want me to say? I support not massclaiming and lynching Desperado but no one else besides you does.

[qwints]

Perhaps you could address the arguments that RBD is using for a mass claim? Or explain why you agree with me?

[Elyse]

I will tomorrow.

[Mr. Flay]

Given that thats me claiming vanilla, flay can claim next.

Townie; YOLO next.

[YOLO]

Vanilla Townie. That only leaves Human Destroyer.

[Mr. Flay]

Mod:

Did scum get nightchat before the game started?

[10506670]

Scum did have nightchat before game started, although if they used that was up to them.

[Elyse]

Oh well I guess there's no point in not massclaiming now

[Human Destroyer]

I am a VT as well.

[qwints]

The two or three (probably two because scum-despeardo was talking about 3 scum) townies besides my and Elyse need to learn how to think for themselves. Why would you push/agree to a mass claim in this situation? I am incredibly frustrated with you right now for playing into scum's hands.

At this point, we probably need to give reads before lynching desparado since scum's night action are pretty forced. Unless despardo's the role blocker, I don't like our chances. Any reason not to give reads now?

[Elyse]

So we only have a vig and a cop?

[Elyse]

Hopefully someone is lying and they are a doctor and they protect me or qwints.

Also, as far as my reads go, I'm thinking the scum team is Desperado/Flay/RBD.

[qwints]

and VT's eager to make sure scum know the set-up, and don't have to worry about a protective role.

[qwints]

I agree on RBD reading despeardo's iso. I like YOLO over Flay for the 3rd slot.

[Mr. Flay]

Why do you keep assuming there's a scum RB, qwints? No actions have been blocked that I've heard of, and that doesn't really work well with a Day Vig in my brain.

Also I really don't see why a protective role would claim truthfully in this situation. It's pretty much an autowin if they can defend you tonight.

[qwints]

Why do you keep assuming there's a scum RB, qwints?

Set-up spec. I'm just used to roleblockers in games with full cops. I suppose scum could all be goons given the paucity of town power.