Venrob's EpicMafia Adventure (Mini 1437)

[Venrob]

One last note: Bomberman was not a Villager, but a Gallis. Gallis gets a villager role PM. If gallis is lynched it doesnt die, if gallis is voted but not lynched it suicides.

[Antagon]

You are a Watcher! You yourself do not visit (for reasons of tracker etc.)

Each night you may PM me your action.

Action:
Watch- pick someone each night and you will see the names of everyone that visited them.

Watched projectmatt N1. Not that it would have mattered anyway.

[Tierce]

I've been following this game, and I would like to say a few words regarding the moderation.

Venrob, are you aware that:
1) You confirmed the dead Gunsmith's action. (He could have lied in his will, but your posts about projectmatt having a gun confirm that the action actually took place.) (Post 63)
2) You confirmed projectmatt as Town. (Post 63)
3) You were commenting on things the living players had no business knowing--that the players in the dead QuickTopic weren't posting. (Post 50)
4) You kept telling players what they should do. (Post 63, Post 80, Post 92, Post 183, and so on.)
5) You changed rules mid-game to give Mafia conditional daytalk. (Post 157)
6) In general, you were far too chatty about the game and its state, giving away too much information.

And these are mostly just off your own posts, as I have not gone thoroughly over the edits you made to other people's posts. As a moderator, you should be an impartial figure, not favoring one side over the other, but your actions throughout the game very heavily favored the Town and repeatedly added confusion to the gamestate. For future games you mod, I'd suggest a more hands-off approach, reducing your in-thread interventions to votecounts and replies to questions (only if and when they are relevant), without adding random input as if you were a player yourself.

[Jal]

Also been following along and generally agree with Tierce.

For a theme game like this with special mechanics, you can't assume that everyone is going to have played Epicmafia or will know the mechanics entirely offhand. You could have avoided much of the above by devising a more complete ruleset along with providing a link to the Epicmafia wiki pages for additional information.

When you give the ruleset, you also want to avoid being very specific and hint about any roles. You were very particular on certain rule-sets you wanted to highlight, indicating what roles were probably available in the game.

Anyway, this seemed like a very fun theme.

[Venrob]

I was (in 63) going by what i said in previous posts: assuming i were a player, assuming will had not lied, assuming everyone is town. The daytalk i knew wouldnt actually happen, at least not unless the day went past 5 days when it has 3 killing roles that isnt likely. Every 20% being a deadline, it would never happen. Should it have happened i would have stated that i were just kidding as i was.

As for your final bit tierce, i will take that suggestion insto consideration.

Also number 3 has nothing to do with the game, just me going "wow wtf".

Post 80 had nothing of me telling people what to do- i said that if you play a game on epicmafia you will understand the voting mechanics.

[Bomberman]

ummm interesting game im not sure how i feel about this and i agree with tierce on your modding here

gj tne for shooting last mafia gj jason for daykilling other mafia gj town for lynching mafia

gj

[fuzzybutternut]

Venrob, I don't care what you say, this was a bastard game.

[Bomberman]

very bastard indeed what the hell were you thinking claiming hunter THEN lyncher

[thenewearth]

So where do I put this win?
As town? Or as 3rd party lover?

[Tierce]

I was (in 63) going by what i said in previous posts: assuming i were a player, assuming will had not lied, assuming everyone is town. The daytalk i knew wouldnt actually happen, at least not unless the day went past 5 days when it has 3 killing roles that isnt likely. Every 20% being a deadline, it would never happen. Should it have happened i would have stated that i were just kidding as i was.

As for your final bit tierce, i will take that suggestion insto consideration.

Also number 3 has nothing to do with the game, just me going "wow wtf".

Post 80 had nothing of me telling people what to do- i said that if you play a game on epicmafia you will understand the voting mechanics.

A moderator should never give suggestions to players. Post 63 was one of the most egregious errors you can do as a moderator, as you made it evident that projectmatt's slot was Town. In the way you had been posting, it made very little sense for you to post 63 if he didn't actually have a gun. As a moderator, you really should not interfere or give your opinion about players' decisions. Ever.

It doesn't matter if you are "assuming" things or not, as a mod it is not

your

place to comment on events in or outside the game thread while the game is ongoing. Save that kind of discussion for post-game, for your co-mod/back-up, or have it in the dead QT with players who can't interfere anymore.

Yes, I know it's fun to have all the information, but it is your responsibility not to out it prematurely.

Game integrity must come first.

Your definition of "fun" as a moderator is not the same as a player's definition of "fun", and mid-game mod commentary might be entertaining to you, but it can seriously disrupt the game, accidentally or not. In a forum Mafia game, players are trained to read between the lines and will try to extract information from everyone's posts, including the mod's. You were giving information away in spades, and I would have felt terrible as scum in a game moderated like this, because it felt like the Town had an extra omniscient player who was eagerly cooperating with them.

As for the daytalk, no matter the likelihood of it happening, changing a rule mid-game (even as a joke) is a poor moderation practice in a non-bastard game. The players had no way of knowing it was a joke, and daytalk can strongly alter the interactions Town should look for.

[Bomberman]

shared win

tne your playstyle is very townie however you have some things to work on like how you present yourself and the content you produce think before you post is my best advice
mac sad luck i think you did fine
kashoodles eh townie to claim doctor like that but uhh kinda same advice for tne here
fuzzy you really looked like you were just trying to fit in and be townie but to be townie you need an intention to be townie which you weren't showing because a) your posts hardly contained anything and b) you didn't follow up on things c) you claimed hunter then lyncher
antagon good votes i guess lol
pj you suck
slothguy um inactive and stuff kinda didn't really do much hope to see more
jason good shot mate
guile uhhh inactive problems again

[fuzzybutternut]

very bastard indeed what the hell were you thinking claiming hunter THEN lyncher

I claimed hunter as a way to get the activity up. It was FAR from a serious claim. The lyncher, though, was an actual claim. I was thinking that it'd be such an off claim, they'd believe me. I was banking on guille showing up to vote TNE, honestly.

[thenewearth]

tne your playstyle is very townie however you have some things to work on like how you present yourself and the content you produce think before you post is my best advice

Yeah I'm aware... I'm currently working on it

[fuzzybutternut]

also, bomb, thanks for the constructive criticism.

[Bomberman]

@fuzzy you shouldn't worry about shit like that you're scum your priority is to survive not hold hands with the town, if anything you coulda used the inactivity to your advantage

[fuzzybutternut]

I know. It's one of my many flaws here. I hate inactivity. I like a challenge.

[kuror0]

Oh, so I win without much trouble. Lucky me, i picked a town and that mafia got killed so effing fast. 1st game as a 3rd party.

I think I can tell when fuzzy is mafia in the first day.

[thenewearth]

I like a challenge.

Scum tip,

When there is no challenge, don't make it challenging.

Pick the easy way out

[fuzzybutternut]

This is why I suck as scum.
I much prefer town PR's.

[JasonWazza]

TNE your awesome <3

[thenewearth]

Lucky shot was lucky.

Maybe that was compensation for yesterday's bad luck streak

[JasonWazza]

Copy of my will;

My awesomeness is unmatched fools, remember my awesomeness and lynch that last mafia bitch

[thenewearth]

Lol.

Now I wish I haven't shot Mac first.
Just to get that will through

[Mac]

That sucked.

I wouldn't have been able to kill anyone anyway. I had such a great plan of fake silencing coming up too. Screw you TNE!!!

[thenewearth]

I read the Action QT and lol.

Apparently I went to dinner with kuro and fell in love with him.
lolwhat?