Newbie 1352: Into the Darkness (Game Over)

[UberNinja]

Newbie 1352 - Vote Count 1.12

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orozorro [4] - Wisdom, Nachomamma8, Belisarius, catboi

T S O [3] - orozorro, Skullduggery, Who
Skullduggery [2] - frog, T S O

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-04-20 20:12:02)

[Wisdom]

orozorro are you gonna claim or anything? T S O has already stated intent to hammer you.

[orozorro]

orozorro are you gonna claim or anything? T S O has already stated intent to hammer you.

I don't know what it means to 'claim'.

[T S O]

I have intent to hammer, meaning I am going to hammer you or vote you. You now claim your role. If you are a Vanilla Townie, you say it. If you are a Power Role, you definitely say it. This is a anti-PR lynch measure.

[Wisdom]

Yup, just tell us what your role is.

[orozorro]

So you two can figure out whether I'm worth killing if I escape the hammer? No thanks.

[frog]

No, so if you're a PR we don't lynch you.

[Belisarius]

When you voted for Cybertronix you weren't exactly clear on your reasoning

I was perfectly clear; Cyber is far too experienced to think mafia theory is a scumtell in a new game, so it doesn't make sense for him to act like it is.

No, you hadn't hardened my scumread at all at the time of that post, but you haven't done anything that makes me think that you're town, and you have the same role PM as Cybertronix.

Refusing to claim when asked at L-1 with intent to hammer stated is, however, anti-town since it forces the town to risk lynching a PR blindly, and a fakeclaim from scum makes it harder for them to maintain their camo when they have to think harder about what to "know" later in the game.

I'm still fine with lynching either oro or TSO today.

[Who]

Oro, if you are a PR you have two options:
Option 1: Claim, we lynch someone else who could be mafia, the mafia kill you (Assuming you're a protective PR. Otherwise there's the possibility of a doctor protecting you so the mafia might not kill you)
Option 2: Don't claim, we lynch you, the mafia kill someone else who is not mafia.

[Skullduggery]

Hey guys? Maybe it would be in Town's best interest if orozorro didn't claim, if you catch my drift. Let's lynch T S O today and worry about orozorro tomorrow.

Wisdom, even though the conversation seems to have shifted elsewhere in the interim, I'm kind of curious to hear your response to Belisarius' request in Post 295. (Mostly because I'm curious to see where he's going with this. I may not know his intentions, but I presume that he knows what he's doing.)

It would be really nice to hear from our phantom IC as well.

My advice is to lynch Skullduggery, who I feel has been scummy as shit, and oro isn't a bad idea either.

Keep on grasping at those straws, T S O. Maybe one day you'll get lucky and accidentally make a decent point.

[orozorro]

Oro, if you are a PR you have two options:
Option 1: Claim, we lynch someone else who could be mafia, the mafia kill you (Assuming you're a protective PR. Otherwise there's the possibility of a doctor protecting you so the mafia might not kill you)
Option 2: Don't claim, we lynch you, the mafia kill someone else who is not mafia.

Ok. Not that I really think that this is going to be of any benefit to me, I have the doctor role. I assume now people will either believe me and the scum will kill me or you'll assume I'm lying and lynch me anyway. I just hope that now we can avoid having two town members dying before D2.

[Who]

Scum might leave you alive to cause WIFOM, or you could be lying. However, unless anyone wants to counterclaim you're now safe for today. Someone unvote please, and T S O, do not hammer or be insta-lynched tomorrow.

[UberNinja]

Nacho is being replaced.

[UberNinja]

Majiffy replaces Nachomamma8.

[Skullduggery]

No counter-claim here.

See, I've been playing under the assumption that Cybertronix/Orozorro was a Jailkeeper since his casual "No. JK." remark in Post 132 looked like a subtle soft-claim to me. That's why I was never quite able to bring myself to vote for that slot.

Instead, we get a Doc claim. Was not expecting that. I'm a little dubious, but if no one counter-claims, I think it's worth keeping Orozorro around for at least another day.

T S O lynch is looking awfully enticing right about now.

[Majiffy]

Hi. I'll get to this in ~2 hours or so.

[Who]

"No JK" could mean just that, there is no JK.

I'm going to say that this adds credit to the claim.

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

No need to lynch a PR claim on day 1 if there's no counter claim.

I need to do some reading and think about who I suspect, but in general I'd probably vote anyone but skullduggery or belisarius.

[Skullduggery]

"No JK" could mean just that, there is no JK.

I'm going to say that this adds credit to the claim.

There might still be a Jailkeeper. That's one of the possible combinations listed in the first post. If the Cybertronix slot really is a Doctor, he wouldn't have known whether or not this game has a Jailkeeper at the time that he made that post.

Also, hello, Majiffy. Apparently I remind you of someone you know.

[Who]

Sorry, for some reason I thought it was doctor OR jail keeper. I think the JK was just random then.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Beli

Anyone who is town can sheep me now, so we can lynch the obvscum.

[Majiffy]

Also Catboi is obvtown, Wisdom and TSO slightly lesser town reads. Everyone else hangs in the nullish-town or nullish-scum categories. But Beli is today's lynch 100%.

[Belisarius]

I have the doctor role.

UNVOTE:

[Who]

Is not explaining anything a requirement for ICs?

Majiffy, care to explain why Belisarius is scum?

[frog]

I'm counterclaiming. I'm the doctor. I breadcrumbed in my third post.

I

think who is town.

M

y, isn't he nice and questioning, only 11 posts but he's been asking some legitimate questions and clarifications.

D

on't think much of TSO yet, seems attentive but a bit lurkerish.

O

therwise fine.

C

ybertronix's slot has had some difficulties so I can overlook that there's been little activity. He has fired up jmo/catboi which isn't good. Null until we see more from him.
Nacho and Wisdom seem to be playing like they do in most games I've read that have featured them. Null tells on both.
Belasarius looks town, he wanted to escape from the jmo/catboi spat. Nice witty answers too.
Catboi I don't like. That massive argument was a debacle for both sides, but you can tell from his posts that he was deliberately trying to wind up jmo and rarely read what he'd written. What concerns me is that, upon replacing in, he's focussed on jmo and only jmo and has done little scumhunting (unless you count angering people as scumhunting). In post 74 you say you have no other reads. How about now? Leaning scum.
Skullduggery's been asking a lot of useless questions throughout the game, lots of stuff but no substance. He's very quick to state that he's town in post 42 in such a way that looks scummy (it's a read from one player, does it need a line to itself?). Also, tell us what you think for a change, or do you need everyone else's opinions before you can make your own?

First letters of the first five words of my comments spell 'IM DOC'.

Vote: orozorro

Of course, this means I die tonight. I'm fine with this, since then it's 1 v 6, a lot easier for the town. Tomorrow I'd advise looking at Skullduggery, though take this with a pinch of salt because I admit I have been tunneling and I could be wrong. One scum is down, good luck finding the other.