Micro 151: Mafia in New-Newbie Land (Game over!)

mothrax · Post Post #625 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:33 am

Xeg, I told you, I'm counting the lurking and the coming in and playing defensively as two separate things.

As for me saying I responded to something when I didn't, I thought I had, but apparently drunk me typed out a post the. Deleted it. That was the night I didn't sleep an ant to work at 3am...

ISO · Post Post #626 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:27 am

Forgot to respond to:

Xegarus wrote:Its the 'makes him look worse' part isnt it. I said worse cause thats all Jake seems to be trying to do with me.

Yes -- it makes it look like you know you are not on Wisdom's team. If you were to flip scum I'd probably upgrade my read on Wisdom for this.

Majiffy · Post Post #627 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:31 am

In post 609, chkflip wrote:Jiffy Lube, what do you think about Elvis? Why is she not a greater lynch than Wisdom?

Because she's town. Now vote Wisdom.

Wisdom · Post Post #628 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:33 am

I'm town too, find something better.

ISO · Post Post #629 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:35 am

Not willing to even consider elvis until she gets more involved -- my read on her is really stale and there are no good interactions with her.

Wisdom · Post Post #630 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:36 am

Is there anyone you're willing to consider other than me?

Majiffy · Post Post #631 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:39 am

Not this late in the day.

Wisdom · Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:39 am

There's still time. Why lynch town if there's a chance to lynch scum?

Wisdom · Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:43 am

There are still 31 hours left, during which everyone is more or less guaranteed to read the thread and adjust their vote if necessary (except maybe elvis). So yeah, there is still time to consider whoever.

ISO · Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:44 am

Possibly, although mac coming in as a townread muddies the waters a bit as it probably means one of my other reads is way off. Chk's still null for now because I find it hard to read post by post catchup type of things since the mindset changes so quickly and I was way back and forth on Pala.

Not mothrax, not mac. Majiffy's weirding me out lately...his interactions with me are really superficial and he's gone into tunnel mode on you which is not helpful for reading him. Jake's probably town but that read is weak too...he has buddied me incredibly hard this game so far for having such a weak day 1 read (not that I want to get into that whole thing again)

Elvis is too removed from the game to be a good source of info, although I'm not counting her out.

But you're not doing anything to convince me you're town.

p-edit: AtE/F is really not going to do it.

Majiffy · Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:44 am

Because youscum would necessarily have to make that argument.

Why are you town? Why has your play this game not followed your typical town play?

Wisdom · Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:45 am

In post 635, Majiffy wrote:Because youscum would necessarily have to make that argument.

Why are you town? Why has your play this game not followed your typical town play?

Because I don't have a "typical town play".

I would prolly make a similar argument as scum, but I am not currently scum.

ISO · Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:45 am

Xeg lynch just got a tiny bit better as I have a potential negative connection between you and him, too.

Majiffy · Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:46 am

In post 636, Wisdom wrote:Because I don't have a "typical town play".

This is bullshit, because you do.

As mollie likes to say,
Town Wincon >>>> Town Motivation >>>> Town Posting

Your demeanor is different. Ergo, you're not playing as you do as town. Ergo you do not have town motivation. Ergo you do not have a town wincon.

Wisdom · Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:46 am

In post 634, borkjerfkin wrote:Possibly, although mac coming in as a townread muddies the waters a bit as it probably means one of my other reads is way off. Chk's still null for now because I find it hard to read post by post catchup type of things since the mindset changes so quickly and I was way back and forth on Pala.

Not mothrax, not mac. Majiffy's weirding me out lately...his interactions with me are really superficial and he's gone into tunnel mode on you which is not helpful for reading him. Jake's probably town but that read is weak too...he has buddied me incredibly hard this game so far for having such a weak day 1 read (not that I want to get into that whole thing again)

Elvis is too removed from the game to be a good source of info, although I'm not counting her out.

But you're not doing anything to convince me you're town.

p-edit: AtE/F is really not going to do it.

You forgot Xegarus, it's basically him or elvis if you decide not to lynch me.

But I am not sure what you expect from me to be convinced I am town. Mac asked me for a case on elvis, I provided what I could. What more can I possibly do?

ISO · Post Post #640 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:47 am

Yeah I mentioned Xeg in #637 as I realized I forgot him.

Wisdom · Post Post #641 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:47 am

In post 638, Majiffy wrote:
In post 636, Wisdom wrote:Because I don't have a "typical town play".
This is bullshit, because you do.

As mollie likes to say,
Town Wincon >>>> Town Motivation >>>> Town Posting

Your demeanor is different. Ergo, you're not playing as you do as town. Ergo you do not have town motivation. Ergo you do not have a town wincon.

I don't, and you're wrong. And I will be sure to use this against you if you accuse me on meta again in any game.

Wisdom · Post Post #642 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:48 am

Unless you're scum, in which case it makes total sense that you're tunneling on me.

ISO · Post Post #643 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:49 am

Wisdom the bulk of my problem with you this game is that you've basically asked unhelpful open ended questions, made little to no analysis, and stuck a vote on me that you have flat out ignored to back up when pressed on it.

Why the hell should I find you town for that?

Wisdom · Post Post #644 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:51 am

You shouldn't, but you shouldn't find me scum either.

ISO · Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:57 am

Why not? You're avoiding being accountable for your reads by not explaining them, you're not moving the game along by following up on your questions, and I see no town motivated thought process for you ever to have legitimately thought I was scum, ergo I have to assume you're being disingenuous. These are all things I would expect from scum.

If you were town you'd have no problem explaining your thought process to me as I have done with everyone who has taken issue with me this game.

Majiffy · Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:57 am

You know what the scummiest part of your argument is, Wisdom? Your entire defense is "no, you're wrong, and you're so bad I'm going to mock you! unless your scum I guess" which is such a non-town perspective to come from.

ISO · Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:01 am

If I have one problem with Mothrax it's that he is giving Wisdom a free pass for banal play while trying to nitpick the shit out of mine by cherry picking like the 5% of my posts that are not game relevant.

Wisdom · Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:02 am

@bork
My thought process was that you claimed you missed the fact I pointed out the fact elvis put Xeg at L-1 without showing any concern and after ignoring my "you're not voting him" after having supported the wagon but not voted for the whole game, but found it a good point when Xeg said the same things in different words.

@Majiffy
And what should my perspective be on tunnelers who refuse to accept they're wrong?

Majiffy · Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:03 am

I'm completely ok with stringing up Mothrax next.

p-edit: Something other than pathetic "no u" omgus, maybe. Effort, I guess? Something... town motivated, perhaps?