Newbie 1352: Into the Darkness (Game Over)

[UberNinja]

Newbie 1352 - Vote Count 2.1

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Majiffy [2] - catboi, Who

Belisarius [1] - Majiffy
T S O [1] - Belisarius

Not Voting - frog, T S O, Wisdom

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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-05-12 16:36:41)

[frog]

I am very confused. I am surprised that I lived last night and I am surprised that Skullduggery flipped town. I think we may be able to garner some information from the reactions from and to that slot.

Cybertronix replaced into an inactive slot and said he had null reads on everybody. Nacho is the first to criticise him for this so I don't think that slot is scum.
Cybertronix places his vote on Who with little reasoning and later on posts a list of reads (in order from towniest to scummiest, catboi, nacho, Wisdom, frog, skulldug, TSO, Beli, Who). His townread of catboi is shaky and is based on 'lots of activity'. In the exchange around posts 170-180 Wisdom runs rings around him over his townread of catboi. Orozorro's reads are vague but we can garner that he thought Wisdom was town and TSO was scum. I think this means TSO is unlikely to be the partner.

Wisdom started by voting Cybertronix, so I doubt he's the partner. Nacho comes later and cites his null read as inspiration of the vote. Beli hops on now with little reasoning in 184. Nacho really pushes orozorro when he replaced in in such a way that I don't think he can be the partner. TSO is the first to suggest Skullduggery as the scumpartner. What this means in terms of whether he is scum or town, I don't know, but I'm leaning on the town side.

As for voting patterns...
Who votes
Who unvotes
Wisdom votes
Nacho votes
Beli votes
Catboi votes
*he claims*
catboi unvotes
Nacho's slot (Majiffy) unvotes
Beli unvotes
*counterclaim*
frog votes
Beli votes
TSO hammers

To summarise: Nacho, Wisdom, and are strong townreads; TSO is a weaker read; catboi is a weaker scumread; the scum could be one from Who and Beli. Note this is conjecture based on interactions. Since I have found Beli's play more towny, I am most inclined to vote Who.

Vote: Who

Also is it worth me divulging who I protected last night?

P-edit: Majiffy's recent posts do not make me more confident of my read of his slot.

[Belisarius]

I don't think it matters if you tell us who you protected; neither the presence nor absence of that information is particularly useful.

[Wisdom]

Nacho is the first to criticise him for this so I don't think that slot is scum.

Although I haven't played with Nacho-scum, I know that Nacho usually busses his scumbuddies. So don't be so sure about that.

[Wisdom]

Also frog, is PoE the only reason you find Who scum? Or do you have more reasons?

[frog]

Alright, fair enough.
Who wasn't on the wagon for Orozorro apart from in RVS. That's another reason.
Also, maybe the odd choice of nightkill and Majiffy not realising I'm conftown are linked...

[Wisdom]

Maybe, although I guess he could pay some attention in order to select who to NK.

The fact he wasn't on the wagon doesn't mean that much. Town and scum alike would vote him after you counterclaimed and especially after he admitted he's scum, but only 5 were required for a lynch.

[Wisdom]

Also wait,
orozorro [5] - Wisdom, frog, Who, Belisarius, T S O

Who was on the wagon.

[frog]

Unvote

I can't believe I missed that. Sorry.

[Wisdom]

Imo it's between Majiffy and Beli, and after that I guess you agree?

[frog]

Yes.

[Who]

I voted oro immediately after the counterclaim, though I don't see how voting oro matters given how he was a counterclaimed PR and there was no way he wasn't getting lynched. I do agree with Majiffy and Beli being the two best choices though.
@Majiffy
You were on the site and posting in between me asking you and the day ending, even if you didn't look at this game until later I would expect you to see the question while you still remembered and be prepared to answer it the next day. And when it is this far into the game, actively doing nothing ("Well I'm just going to vote this guy for no reason but I'm pretty sure I have one, sheep me nao" is going to do nothing besides place a meaningless vote) does not help the town at all.

[T S O]

Do you think orozorro's first move on replacing in would be to try to bus?

Oro's first real attack was on Skullduggery, who flipped town, so no

On mobile, so pre-apologies for the multi-post

Also pre-apologies for my known bias; I tend to see people who attack me as town--it's happened to me correctly too many times (ac1983fan and wisdom) to dismiss it.

Wrong.

Just reread through the majority of the past five pages, my notes are as follows:

wisdom - probing questioning, unlikely to be scum, logic given in post 195 is strong and i think suggests town

nachomammma8 - short posts, doesn't seem to give reasons for her votes, posted 'who is town' at the start, is there any way she could know this for sure? (this question is because i'm a noob and don't know the game mechanics that well btw)

belisarius - quiet, trying to stay out of the limelight?

frog - seems pretty protective of beli under nacho's questioning

catboi - post 204, 'it's a town line' bit of a weak statement but in agreement with frog about beli which makes me feel happier about beli

skullduggery - post 243 seems genuinely emotionally involved with his voting of frog which suggests town to me

tso - very quiet, only seems to comment to defend himself, biggest scumread

who - post 183 gives a detailed explanation of why he's voting for tso (probably wouldn't bother if he was scum) but some of the reasons seem a little meaningless and forced, seems pretty town though

Vote: T S O

He made one fluff post about re-reading and this was the next one. I don't see where he attacked Skullduggery and I seriously don't think he would walk in, immediately make me his #1 scumread and vote for me. Another notable point is when the Skullduggery bandwagon started (TSO/frog/Who were the players on it) he didn't get onto it. If I was his partner, would he not have attempted to move onto that bandwagon? I know I would have. The last thing I'll say about those reads is this is what he basically says.

Town: Wisdom, orozorro
Null-town: Skull, catboi, Who
Null: Nacho/Majiffy, frog, Belisarius
Null-scum:
Scum: T S O

Analyse that as you will.

Majiffy, I know you're playing flippantly, but it doesn't excuse you not explaining why you think Belisarius was/is scum. It's not helping your cause at all.

Oh, and finally, I'm pretty sure Cybertronix made a post with his top 3 scumreads being me/Skull/Beli. As Wisdom said, rule of 3 says one of them's the scumpartner. I know I'm clean and Skull flipped town, so Belisarius is my main scumread.

Vote: Belisarius

[T S O]

Oh, and on the nightkill, I think it's odd as shit. I agree with Majiffy to an extent that just putting it down to WIFOM is lazy: there's gotta be logic with a kill that strange. I just don't get it: they left an un-cc'd PR alive while killing the whole game's prime suspect. Three possibilities, imo.

1) frog is scum and just got lucky on the counterclaim. This would require huge planning, as well as a whole lot of luck, as if another Doctor claimed, the whole scumteam would be outed. Unlikely.
2) Skullduggery was somehow a threat to the Mafia, while frog wasn't. This would nearly seem like it's me, but it's not.
3) It was just intentionally designed to throw a spanner in the works and get us to talk WIFOM.

[Wisdom]

True that, I had forgotten about the rule of 3 argument I brought up.
Yeah, that points towards Beli.

[catboi]

Majiffy, I know you're playing flippantly, but it doesn't excuse you not explaining why you think Belisarius was/is scum. It's not helping your cause at all.

Why criticize him if you agree with him?

[Majiffy]

Since when do you consider me smart?
Nice try buddying me.

I think you're fairly intelligent. Misguided, but you have more of a brain than some people I won't name for the sake of decency.

You were on the site and posting in between me asking you and the day ending, even if you didn't look at this game until later I would expect you to see the question while you still remembered and be prepared to answer it the next day. And when it is this far into the game, actively doing nothing ("Well I'm just going to vote this guy for no reason but I'm pretty sure I have one, sheep me nao" is going to do nothing besides place a meaningless vote) does not help the town at all.

If I was on the site it must have been some kind of residual thing to me having left; I refresh and open up all games with new posts, so I would have seen the game and posted. I didn't, ergo I wasn't around.

@Wisdom - Then vote him.

[Wisdom]

I will when you tell us why he was obvscum on D1.

[frog]

Then what do people expect the scum to do?

What you least expect.

At least if they're any good, they will.

Just thought I'd bring this up.

[Belisarius]

Then what do people expect the scum to do?

What you least expect.

At least if they're any good, they will.

Just thought I'd bring this up.

WIFOM.

As for the rule of 3, that's WIFOM as well, scum know about it too.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Beli

[Who]

I asked you at Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:07 am
The day ended at Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:51 pm
You made a post somewhere else at 3:36 pm.
So you were definitely on at the time.

[Majiffy]

I will when you tell us why he was obvscum on D1.

When I get around to re-reading I will.

I asked you at Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:07 am
The day ended at Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:51 pm
You made a post somewhere else at 3:36 pm.
So you were definitely on at the time.

Well I don't know what to say, I never saw your post. I mean, you can try to make a case out of this if you want, but you'll just look like an idiot when I flip town.

[UberNinja]

Fuck top-of-the-page votecounts.

Newbie 1352 - Vote Count 2.2

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Belisarius [3] - Majiffy, T S O, Wisdom

Majiffy [2] - catboi, Who
T S O [1] - Belisarius

Not Voting - frog

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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-05-12 16:36:41)

[Majiffy]

Lol.