NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

Does TUA mention RachMarie/DLCXVI or AA9 at all?

I don't think I noticed.

[Bulbazak]

I'll be honest, I understood almost nothing of this post.

DGB Bulbazak is town. Push Titan instead and I'll be fine.

He's really not town, TUA was trying to get him on board a particular lynch in broad daylight.

Did I understand the OP that the scum doesn't have daytalk? If I read that right, TUA was trying to clue Bulbazak into a lynch scheme.

Are you talking about when I was trying to get a townread of mine to jump on the wagon of a scumread? Yes, because that is totally TUA driving a mislynch and getting his buddy onboard.

[DrippingGoofball]

TUA, if you switch to DGB, I will too.

this is a good idea.

vote:DGB

Why are you not voting DGB, Bulb?

This is Bulbascum letting his buddy TUA know that if TUA switches his vote to a mislynch, Bulbascum will go for the kill, too.

TUA immediately agrees that this is a great idea! But Bulbascum doesn't vote right away and TUA gets impatient.

Here below is the vote count at the time of the conversation:

DrippingGoofball

- Titan, RachMarie
Antilles - Rainbowdash, Bulbazak
Ms Marangal - BBmolla, Antilles, Jennifer
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal, Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

, Human Destroyer, zdenek

After the proposed action, the vote count would be:

DrippingGoofball

- Titan, RachMarie, Bulbazak, Underachievers
Antilles - Rainbowdash,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal - BBmolla, Antilles, Jennifer
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

, Human Destroyer, zdenek

...and giving the mislynch one more vote than the scumwagon.

Eventually, Bulbazak votes me, but only after letting Jennifer-town sneak on the wagon, maybe to avoid looking like a scum voting block:

DrippingGoofball - Titan, DCLXVI, Underachivers, Jennifer, Bulbazak
Antilles - Rainbowdash
Ms Marangal - Antilles
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal
Underachivers - DrippingGoofball, Human Destroyer, zdenek, BBmolla

[Rainbowdash]

Antilles being scum means that TUA is town. TUA is more likely scum than DGB just comparing the two though (although both are town probably). Antilles-scum also means DGB is probably town. Which is basically what my reads on those two already are.

You should have also quoted all of this one, since he also tries to set up Antilles to look scummy after TUA flips.

Where in this do I say TUA-scum means Antilles-scum? This literally is saying that either of TUA/DGB scum means Antilles is scum or vice versa.

I would be more or less fine Bulb vote, but I just got this read on HD that I want to at least look at. Looking at a "this is how I would have played as scum" is a good way for me to recover and get good reads at times. HD is playing very similarly to how I owuld have played scum here so that really makes me uncomfortable.

[Zdenek]

Actually, TUA unvoted KBW. They were not on the final wagon. If you read the thread you can clearly see hydra dissonance over bussing KBW. Nero wanted to bus him. Mastin, however, did not.

So when you say complete lack of bussing what the fuck do you mean?

[Zdenek]

Where in this do I say TUA-scum means Antilles-scum?

Rereading, I misread. You do the opposite. Nevermind.

[Zdenek]

Well not the opposite to that, but the opposite of what I thought you were doing. Here, where you say, "Seriously look at his "oh TUA is town guys" post with a few hours to deadline that does absolutely nothing to actually stop TUA from getting lynched. " Doesn't attempt to cast suspicion on Antilles if there is a TUA scum flip, I misread it, and thought that it did.

[DrippingGoofball]

The Underachivers - Leaning Town. I checked out Mastin's wiki after BBMolla called me Mastin 2.0 in Newbie 1333. It seems that he has a habit of making bad calls when it comes to reads. Therefore, I really can't use that as a scum tell. I also find him overjustifying his scumtells on AA9 and Otter to be townish. It just feels genuine. I don't like them freaking out about the possibility of being lynched. While no one wants to be lynched, scum is more likely to freak out in that matter than town. Them having bad luck with being lynched early in past games might explain it, but this is the reason why I'm not calling them full on town.

In the above post, Bulbazak makes pre-emptive excuses for TUA.

Pre-emptive excuses are super-scummy because only scum fears and anticipates future screw-ups and needs to make excuses for the screw-ups BEFORE they happen.

Pre-emptive excuse here about TUA:

"It seems that he has a habit of making bad calls when it comes to reads."

That's preparing the ground to anticipate TUA calling most townies "scum." Bulbazak continues and digs himself deeper:

"Therefore, I really can't use that as a scum tell."

When Bulbazak's spade handle cracks, he digs with his teeth:

"...Them having bad luck with being lynched early in past games..."

So we got two pre-emptive meta excuses for TUA's inevitable bad reads pushing for townie lynches, AND the feeling sorry for TUA's bad luck getting lynched early...

so give him a chance this game... it's just bad luck... don't make TUA feel terrible and early-lynch him again!

[DrippingGoofball]

TUA, on the other hand, focused on getting as many reads and thoughts out as possible. They also confronted the points against them, rather than try to find ways to dismiss them altogether.

Buddy defense ^^^

[DrippingGoofball]

Actually, that's not OMGUS. TUA had a scum read on your slot for awhile. The most notable vote came from before his wagon started running away. That post came from the Mastin head, who tends to not think correctly when it comes to reads. Essentially, he saw you voting for KBW and immediately assumed KBW was town, for the precise reason that he had a scum read on you. Several of his reads are screwy in this regard. Simply put, he had a scum read on you prior to this post, had been voting KBW, saw you voting for KBW, and immediately developed a town read on the slot because he had a scum read on you. This is why he voted you, because of that prior scum read.

Given the KBW & TUA scum flips, the above is HILARIOUS.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah. You were posting pretty town after our truce d2, especially that last post, and I had determined that both you and TUA couldn't be scum.

HA

[DrippingGoofball]

The DGB wagon is close in number to the TUA one. If we can get one more person, or someone from the TUA wagon switches to DGB, the lynch on DGB will go through. DGB is also a strong scumread, so I'll stick it out here for now.

Desperation

[DrippingGoofball]

Reading RD with respect to interactions with Bulbazak, RD is definitely town.

[Rainbowdash]

Yeah okay

Vote Bulb

@DGB

- Just do me a favor and read over HD. I really dont think he is town here. He feels town as town, im not feeling town here. He ends up in the right spot when it looks like that is what will happen, but there is a whole lot of testing waters first.

[Bulbazak]

TUA, if you switch to DGB, I will too.

this is a good idea.

vote:DGB

Why are you not voting DGB, Bulb?

This is Bulbascum letting his buddy TUA know that if TUA switches his vote to a mislynch, Bulbascum will go for the kill, too.

I like how you switched from TUA running the show to me, because this case is not fabricated at all.

Going to do something I hate, which is write inside the quote, but it's necessary to show some of the utter stupidity here:

Here below is the vote count at the time of the conversation:

Scumread #2

DrippingGoofball

- Titan, RachMarie

Scumread #1

Antilles - Rainbowdash, Bulbazak
Ms Marangal - BBmolla, Antilles, Jennifer
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal, Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

, Human Destroyer, zdenek

After the proposed action, the vote count would be:

Scumread #2

DrippingGoofball

- Titan, RachMarie, Bulbazak, Underachievers

Scumread #1

:right:Antilles - Rainbowdash,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal - BBmolla, Antilles, Jennifer
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

, Human Destroyer, zdenek

...and giving the mislynch one more vote than the scumwagon.

Oh looky there, one of the wagons on one of my scumreads is magically viable. Surely it must be evil scum plotting.

Eventually, Bulbazak votes me, but only after letting Jennifer-town sneak on the wagon, maybe to avoid looking like a scum voting block:

The caffeine that's flooding Bulba's system finally decides to betray him, and he crashes into his bed a la #1463. He wakes up 4 hrs. later, catches up, and then finally places his vote.

DrippingGoofball - Titan, DCLXVI, Underachivers, Jennifer, Bulbazak
Antilles - Rainbowdash
Ms Marangal - Antilles
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal
Underachivers - DrippingGoofball, Human Destroyer, zdenek, BBmolla

The Underachivers - Leaning Town. I checked out Mastin's wiki after BBMolla called me Mastin 2.0 in Newbie 1333. It seems that he has a habit of making bad calls when it comes to reads. Therefore, I really can't use that as a scum tell. I also find him overjustifying his scumtells on AA9 and Otter to be townish. It just feels genuine. I don't like them freaking out about the possibility of being lynched. While no one wants to be lynched, scum is more likely to freak out in that matter than town. Them having bad luck with being lynched early in past games might explain it, but this is the reason why I'm not calling them full on town.

In the above post, Bulbazak makes pre-emptive excuses for TUA.

Pre-emptive excuses are super-scummy because only scum fears and anticipates future screw-ups and needs to make excuses for the screw-ups BEFORE they happen.

Pre-emptive excuse here about TUA:

"It seems that he has a habit of making bad calls when it comes to reads."

That's preparing the ground to anticipate TUA calling most townies "scum." Bulbazak continues and digs himself deeper:

"Therefore, I really can't use that as a scum tell."

When Bulbazak's spade handle cracks, he digs with his teeth:

"...Them having bad luck with being lynched early in past games..."

So we got two pre-emptive meta excuses for TUA's inevitable bad reads pushing for townie lynches, AND the feeling sorry for TUA's bad luck getting lynched early...

so give him a chance this game... it's just bad luck... don't make TUA feel terrible and early-lynch him again!

Blah, blah, misrep, blah.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 3.04:

Antilles - Syryana
Jennifer - Human Destroyer
DrippingGoofball - Bulbazak
Bulbazak - DrippingGoofball, arcangel, RainbowDash
Rainbowdash - zdenek
Syryana - BBmolla

Not Voting - Titan, DCLXVI, Jennifer, Antilles, Ms. Marangal, Metal Overlord, Klick

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch and to no-lynch.

The Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-05 00:37:43) or by 11: 40 PM on May 4th, 2013.

Searching for a replacement for Klick

[DrippingGoofball]

Just do me a favor and read over HD

Lemme check

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm sorry, but scumread, even light, just for a person voting you, and then trying to explain the vote in other terms . . . no, just no. Not sure if stupid or scum at this point.

Mastin and Nero aren't stupid.

HD made this post after a series of posts calling TUA scum.... unlike Bulbascum, HD isn't making excuses for TUA.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not even certain I'm reading this right. I'll come back with some content soon.

Yeah you should prob do that I'm looking for someone to sheep.

(Currently accepting applications! Do YOU have what it takes to get me to sheep you? Apply today to find out!)

A TUA vote would suit you well

And there's this...

[DrippingGoofball]

OtterHorse is town as well

KBW is still scum.

HD isn't bus'ing KBW

and

TUA. In a nightless. No.

[DrippingGoofball]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TUA

Still need to be voting largest wagon of my scumreads

Continued righteous harassment of TUA ^5

[DrippingGoofball]

HD's #1238 is just brilliant, so I don't need to read more. He's town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'll be honest, I understood almost nothing of this post.

DGB Bulbazak is town. Push Titan instead and I'll be fine.

I think both are scum. We've already lynched 2 scums, so the order isn't all that important.

Lemme give Titan another look tomorrow morning, I'll check which is scummiest between Bulbazak & Titan.

Let's just keep this up and see where the scum moves its votes, K? We can decide on the actual lynch later.

Can you check if Syryana is scum or derp?

[Rainbowdash]

OtterHorse is town as well

KBW is still scum.

HD isn't bus'ing KBW

and

TUA. In a nightless. No.

Why not?

That probably was correct scumplay. KBW was dead D3 at the latest pregame. TUA he called scum, backed way off untill TUA lynch became likely and then just sorta left his vote there. D2 he backed off TUA attacking just about every other viable wagon untill it became TUA vs "town read" where he resigns to joining the wagon.

I doubt KBW and TUA got powerbussed by all of the scum, but at least one scum was smart enough to realize with a team that has KBW and NC on it, you need to play long run scumgame because its not something you are going to win in a clean sweep which unless something brilliant presents itself as keeping partners alive probably isnt a viable tactic

[Voidedmafia]

Bump