NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[Oversoul]

Mmm
Lunch

Pere takes V/Las on weekends to be with his family iirc

[PeregrineV]

cmon dude, we need your last input to help us right before we lunch youu

Are you in a hurry? If you're in a hurry, then just do it.

Otherwise, I'll look over the other 3 and give my rundown.

Obviously, strongest is Oversoul, but since that's mostly because this doesn't feel like town Oversoul, I'll just go back through the posts along with everyone else.

[PeregrineV]

Starting with Jacob since he has about the same number of posts I do.

Starting with this:

Town

Human Destroyer

roflcopter

Null-Town

Konowa
ActionDan
ZONEACE
Dramonic

Null
Go

Nobody Special
KingdomAces
Smashbard

Null-Scum

wind-up
Bacde
PeregrineV

Scum

MrZepher
petapan

His votes afterwards are:

Prodded.
I'm interested in a HD wagon for now so
VOTE: Human Destroyer

Ooh this sounds exciting.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: HD

I think the time has come to get rid of the PGO, having one of those in the endgame is dangerous as nothing can test it.
VOTE: Wind-up

VOTE: ActionDan

VOTE: Peta
Opps...

On one of his townreads, HD, but never gave reasons why, and why he had two sum in his scum group that never got voted for once the reads were posted.

Stuff like this moves you up the lynch ladder.

So probably Jacob over Oversoul at this point.

[PeregrineV]

GO-Oversoul done in tandem.

unvote

1) Konowa = useless
2) TheTrollie = useful town
3) ActionDan = useless

4) Go = obvious town

5) Nobody Special = idiot town
6) wind-up = town

7) Human Destroyer = obvious mafia

8) KingdomAces = obvious town

9) roflcopter = town
10) JacobSavage = useless

11) Kdowns = useless
12) ZONEACE = useless troll
13) greygnarl = useless

14) petapan = obvious town

15) Smashbard = idiot town

16) MrZepher = idiot mafia

17) Dramonic = useless
18) Bacde = troll town

vote: zepher

However, his votes on scum, and his votes and reads in general, can be seen in his posts.

Still in the air about Go/Oversoul.

I found Go to be fairly town. However, Oversoul's effort level has been below expectations. Let's come back to this after looking at roflcopter.

[KingdomAces]

To me, the coloring of that reads list looks more like an argument for Jacob town. When scum post lists like that, I'd think they'd try to hide their buddies a bit more than that. The vote for Destroyer after calling him town isn't really an issue, because the post count nearly doubled between them.

I remember thinking more about Jacob town before because Zepher was really pushing the Jacob/Dan connection, then ignoring the Dan wagon in favor of Jacob's. While this was far more meaningful when I was assuming Dan was scum, I still think this makes him likelier to be town.

PEdit: Okay, apparently Go made a list that has pretty much the same argument going for it. I'm actually going to have to reread now, won't I...

[JacobSavage]

1. Just going to correct that for you. You are not confirmed town. Stop doing that.

Starting with Jacob since he has about the same number of posts I do.

Starting with this:

Town

Human Destroyer

roflcopter

Null-Town

Konowa
ActionDan
ZONEACE
Dramonic

Null
Go

Nobody Special
KingdomAces
Smashbard

Null-Scum

wind-up
Bacde

PeregrineV

Scum

MrZepher
petapan

His votes afterwards are:

Prodded.
I'm interested in a HD wagon for now so
VOTE: Human Destroyer

Just to point out:

VOTE: MrZepher

Was made before the reads list and didn't move until Zepher had gone.

Also an insight into how I do reads lists.
I copy the player list.
Move them around according to general gut and then tend to forget about them.
Just saying.

[PeregrineV]

@Jacob- Yeah, but since I'm scumhunting for the last scum, and my role PM says it ain't me, I usually color my lists with all the info I have/believe.

And that's fine if you do all your reads lists that way, in which case, who is the last scum, and why?

[JacobSavage]

I can link you to games where I've done it f you want.

I wouldn't, you are misleading the town. I always try and leave myself out of the picture until I am confirmed.

I would say (scum to town)

OS
You
rofl

[PeregrineV]

I can link you to games where I've done it f you want.

I wouldn't, you are misleading the town. I always try and leave myself out of the picture until I am confirmed.

I would say (scum to town)

OS
You
rofl

Town knows I'm not confirmed, scum don't care. I will reference my own list, so it makes it easier for me to have coding I can follow at a glance.

Why is Oversoul scummier than me, and I more than rofl?

[JacobSavage]

Calculated Guesswork.

[PeregrineV]

Calculated Guesswork.

Right. What are the factors used in your calculations?

[JacobSavage]

I took out a pi/2, does that count?

Mostly gut.

[PeregrineV]

I took out a pi/2, does that count?

Mostly gut.

Logic and evidence can lead to others following your train of thought and maybe agreeing with you.

Gut scumhunting requires a reputation for success.

Since I personally don't attribute a reputation to you for it, do you have evidence that you're gut is meaningful?

[JacobSavage]

Nope

But its what I use. (Actually I guess you could argue I twigged on Cleutus in NY160 due to gut, but what ever)

[Oversoul]

Why are you trying to line up lynches, Jacob?

I am gonna pretty busy wth finals so don't expect much activity from me.

re: pere about my play, I'd say this is pretty town of me especially given my attack on Zone.

[Smashbard]

Why are you trying to line up lynches, Jacob?

I am gonna pretty busy wth finals so don't expect much activity from me.

re: pere about my play, I'd say this is pretty town of me especially given my attack on Zone.

Oh man this post reeks of scumvibes to me...


But where the hell is Rofl? He was easily one of the top 3 most active players before Peta's lynch.

Is he scum that's given up?

Thoughts on Oversouls post above and Rofls sudden disappearance.

[PeregrineV]

re: pere about my play, I'd say this is pretty town of me especially given my attack on Zone.

Last game with memorable you was 90's cartoon mafia. 130 pages, you had 430 posts. That's almost 4 posts per page of you try to catch scum. And you did.

This game, you replaced Go who had 63 posts day1, and you now have 68 posts. Or 1 per page.

Your strongest posting (attack on Zone) is something that I expect to see from town-you, but at a greater level.

There is one scum left, nominally in Jacob, you, me and rofl. I'd really expect you to do more of this and less of this.

Just saying.

[PeregrineV]

Is he scum that's given up?

Good question. Looks like all the gunsmith-confirmed folk have vanished.

[Smashbard]

I'm liking Peregrines recent defenses against the likes of Jacob & Oversoul. His points against Oversouls meta seem particularly convincing to me.

Maybe Go/HD was a scum gambit after all. I'm still not sure. But at this point I think I'd like to let Peregrine slide for another dayphase and take out Oversoul or Rofl.

[Bacde]

^^honestly I feel like jacobsavage is town

what do you think smash?

Since if we can get 1 strong townread, we win the game

[PeregrineV]

I'm liking Peregrines recent defenses against the likes of Jacob & Oversoul. His points against Oversouls meta seem particularly convincing to me.

Maybe Go/HD was a scum gambit after all. I'm still not sure. But at this point I think I'd like to let Peregrine slide for another dayphase and take out Oversoul or Rofl.

FYI, both of the links I posted were Oversoul-town in other games. One with superscumhuntingOversoul, and another with plodposting Oversoul.

There's some stuff I can't say now, but can you point out what you are talking about in the Go/HD "scum gambit"?

[Bacde]

I'm liking Peregrines recent defenses against the likes of Jacob & Oversoul. His points against Oversouls meta seem particularly convincing to me.

Maybe Go/HD was a scum gambit after all. I'm still not sure. But at this point I think I'd like to let Peregrine slide for another dayphase and take out Oversoul or Rofl.

FYI, both of the links I posted were Oversoul-town in other games. One with superscumhuntingOversoul, and another with plodposting Oversoul.

There's some stuff I can't say now, but can you point out what you are talking about in the Go/HD "scum gambit"?

look at page 4

[KingdomAces]

The first major clash of the game was between Go and Destroyer over Mr. Zepher. It started at this post and continued for quite some time afterwards. I still think that Go comes out as town, though I thought Destroyer was town because of it at the time as well. I need to fully reread it again, but I don't really have time now. It was before you replaced in, so you should definitely look at it.

I don't think Rofl's silence is indicative of anything. His input right now would be really helpful though, since he was one of my stronger townreads coming into this phase.

PV has definitely improved since the beginning of the day though, so unvoting for now. I'll revote when I do those ISO's that I really need to be doing before the end of the day phase.

UNVOTE: PeregrineV

[Smashbard]

^^honestly I feel like jacobsavage is town

what do you think smash?

Since if we can get 1 strong townread, we win the game

I'll put it this way, if Savage isn't town we lose. Because I'd rather lynch Oversoul, Rofl & Peregrine before Jacob, but I also don't really have a good solid town read on Jacob either. His active lurking all game except for the last day phase when he was just a vanilla townie (claim anyway) doesn't sit well with me. But since then his willingness to claim first and otherwise scumhunting efforts makes me unsure of whether I think he's scum either.

He's basically an uncomfortable null read for me right now because there's so many better lynch candidates than him.

[Bacde]

^^honestly I feel like jacobsavage is town

what do you think smash?

Since if we can get 1 strong townread, we win the game

I'll put it this way, if Savage isn't town we lose. Because I'd rather lynch Oversoul, Rofl & Peregrine before Jacob, but I also don't really have a good solid town read on Jacob either. His active lurking all game except for the last day phase when he was just a vanilla townie (claim anyway) doesn't sit well with me. But since then his willingness to claim first and otherwise scumhunting efforts makes me unsure of whether I think he's scum either.

He's basically an uncomfortable null read for me right now because there's so many better lynch candidates than him.

here's the thing though

I feel like he is the least scummy scumbag out of the 4 of them

I know that goes against what I said yesterday but thats how I feel right now