Open 492: Friends and Enemies (Game over- scum win)

[Majiffy]

Sorry got sucked into a long conversation about operating systems and our failures as a democracy in the US.

I'll get to your questions shortly, DBK. Still around? Hopefully.

[Does Bo Know]

Lol

Yeah I'm here for a bit.

[Bowser]

Unvote

Have your Q&A, AA.

[Majiffy]

Plus I thought you had Indiana Jones and beer.

Yeah but I'm not drinking at enough of a pace to get drunk, so I haven't really gotten involved in it. Mafia seems much more interesting.

AA is null. Haven't bothered really reading her yet. I have more interesting avenues to go down.

In regards to 74/83, was it that you were expecting Fuzzy to

ask

for a claim, whereby in 83 fuzzy says the reason he hammered was the fact that Syr

didn't

claim?

Oh, and what do you think about Rondar not jumping on the Syryana wagon? Rondar hasn't posted since #74 so I haven't mentioned it.

Last time I played with Rondar I recall him being obvtown, and he was (maybe? my memory isn't the best, mostly because I play so many games simultaneously) so if he's town I think I'll figure it out eventually.

Mason would clear him if another Mason agreed.

IMO Masons should keep their mouths shut if he outs as a mason. All it will do is paint a target on both of them. Everyone with a functioning cerebral cortex knows hes going to

claim

mason. And any legitimate masons outing would only damage chances of town winning.

Optimal town play, at this point, is to lynch Fuzzy regardless of claim.

[Majiffy]

DBK come back and help me town read you so we can work together.

[Does Bo Know]

About 74/83: That's a huge enforcer of why I thought Fuzzy wasn't VT.

Yeah, everyone, I didn't vote Fuzzy into Day 2 until later because I thought Fuzzy could be a Mason. A Mason wouldn't need to wait for a claim since a Mason would know the claim would be VT or a fakeclaiming Mason, the latter of which is incredibly stupid D1.

But in 83, the way he posts "When he did claim VT" means that he also saw Syryana claiming Mason as an option. Which isn't something Mason Fuzzy would do, IMO, unless he wanted to cover up the possibility of being a Mason.

That's the thing I've been holding this whole time. Something I didn't want to do because 1.) it pretty much confirms I'm not Mason so it limits the night-kill pool for Masons, and 2.) I didn't want to throw out that Fuzzy could be a Mason, since that would make Fuzzy a certain night-kill if the lynch wasn't on him today.

Sorry that took so long, Majiffy, I hit preview edit and my internet stopped working for a bit.

I'm going to bed soon, but I'll be up fairly early tomorrow morning doing a computer project, so I can answer any questions you have on your mind right now.

[Does Bo Know]

This is also why I was kinda paranoid about Fuzzy when he was softclaiming Mason. It made my theory about 83 all wrong.

[Majiffy]

Oh wow I can't believe I didn't connect that last dot. Now I feel derp.

[Majiffy]

Anyway no, DBK, I think a mason being put at an L-1 situation wouldn't beat around the bush and would just out as a Mason. All of this soft-claiming makes me reckon he's fishing for reactions for his buddies to mason-hunt or even to force some counter-claims.

[Amethyst Actor]

No, Jiffy. I don't think Lynching Fuzzy is optimal play.

If what he's soft'ing is true, he's likely going to die tonight. If he doesn't, then maybe we lynch him tomorrow, maybe. but until then, I would much rather not lynch a Mason soft, and I do not want to draw out his mason buddies. The only thing that leaves me hesitant was a lack of defense on fuzzy's part, there is no one that I can link being partners with him.

Let's go after Edo guys, or maybe even Rondar.

Pedit: Jesus...

Mod: Delete the slip please?

Pedit: Jiffy, no can we please leave fuzzy alone?

[Majiffy]

Mara we have to deal with the WIFOM of this incredibly scummy individual being kept alive for purely that reason now. If we don't deal with his slot now, it's only going to bite us in the ass later. Plus, as I've said in regards to the soft claim, it doesn't fit proper mason play.

[Does Bo Know]

Anyway no, DBK, I think a mason being put at an L-1 situation wouldn't beat around the bush and would just out as a Mason. All of this soft-claiming makes me reckon he's fishing for reactions for his buddies to mason-hunt or even to force some counter-claims.

I just kinda did a double take when I first theorized Fuzzy could be a Mason, then decided Fuzzy wasn't a Mason, then see that Fuzzy softclaimed Mason.

I agree that a Fuzzy lynch is optimal. If he's really,

truly

Mason, it limits the reactions from other Masons anyway, leaving scum no idea who to NK.

Like my vote where it is tonight.

Alright, going to sleep. Goodnight world.

[Amethyst Actor]

I want to keep fuzzy alive because he's likely to be NK bait, if we lynch him now, Scum are probably going to go after someone else. possibly a strong player, so by keeping him alive and going after someone else, we are more likely to catch scum

[Majiffy]

I just feel like leaving him alive is going to open up way too many pathways for scum to figure out the whole mason team, and that takes away our major strength nearing endgame scenarios.

[Bowser]

AA is right to be paranoid in this situation. Majiffy, stop pushing so hard.

DBK has a valid point, however.

[Majiffy]

It's in my nature. If I'm not pushing hard, what kind of man would I be?

[thenewearth]

I want to keep fuzzy alive because he's likely to be NK bait, if we lynch him now, Scum are probably going to go after someone else. possibly a strong player, so by keeping him alive and going after someone else, we are more likely to catch scum

You know saying that he's NK bait doesn't make him NK bait anymore, Right?

[fuzzybutternut]

*shrug* regardless, Dbk, I am Mason. So hop off.

[Does Bo Know]

But Mason Fuzzy doesn't make any sense.

[Does Bo Know]

Also I doubt Fuzzy would simply be night-killed if we spared him today.

Because him

not

being night-killed would probably lead to his lynch the next day anyway.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE COUNT 2.05

With 11 alive it's 6 votes to Lynch and 5 votes to No Lynch.

Voting for:

Does Bo Know-(1) edosurist
Bowser-
Amethyst Actor-
thenewearth-
Sekushi-(1) Your Troubles Will Cease
pitoli-
Your Troubles Will Cease-
Edosurist-
Rondar-
fuzzybutternut-(3) Does Bo Know, thenewearth, majiffy
Majiffy-

Not voting (7): Amethyst Actor, Sekushi, pitoli, Rondar, fuzzybutternut

You have (expired on 2013-05-14 15:00:00) until Day 2 ends.

[Majiffy]

So we're back to optimal play being everyone shutting up and us lynching Fuzzy.

Glad we're all on the same page here.

[fuzzybutternut]

Uhh, lynching town is playing against your wincon. I'll leave it up to both of my brethren as to whether they want to confirm me or not. Also, who says anything makes sense? Because it doesn't make sense that I'm Mason do not mean that I should be lynched.

[fuzzybutternut]

EBWOP: does*

[Does Bo Know]

Dammit Fuzzy.

The way I see it:

We lynch you now, scum can't make links to your Mason buddies. They'll be guessing.

If we don't lynch you now and you'll try to scum hunt, everyone you suspect as scum is one less person to eliminate as a possible mason buddy.

So here's what's going to happen.

We're going to lynch you.

Or you're going to shut up today while the rest of us scum hunt.

I'm saying that because for now, those are our best options for optimal town play.