NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Human Destroyer]

Before the game begins

you may talk among yourselves to plan strategies and the like Here.

You people really need reading comprehension lessons.

[Zdenek]

I actually always skipped over the goon pm.

[Syryana]

looking for the real scum instead of badgering me.

I really don't get this.

I'm purdy sho I'm lookin' fo scum.

If your definition of looking for scum is nonchalantly declaring half the playerlist scum for completely arbitrary reasons, then yes, you're scumhunting.

Let's see, current people on my wagon are: DGB, Jennifer, BBmolla, Ms. Marangal, DCLXVI, Human Destroyer. After reading the latest posts, I realized I didn't have any clue why most of these people are voting me. So I went back and looked for the cases against me/reasons for voting, and here's what I found.

BBmolla: "you're scum"
DCLXVI: "I don't like how you interpreted my meta, and I don't like that you see my(DCL's) play differently than I (DCL) do."
Jennifer: Doesn't seem to have a reason to vote me, hasn't mentioned me in any of her posts other than some extraordinarily vague VCA. Might ISO her later, her last two posts are truly terrible.
Human Destroyer: Actually has some decent points on me, but most of them are based on the fact that I hadn't explained my initial reads. Hasn't been seen since.
DGB: "you're scum" Unlike Molla, DGB has a series of misreps, wild claims and some out and out lies.
Ms. Marangal: "Disregard that meltdown, I don't like the Syr slot"

I originally started this post to defend myself from the cases against me, but after ISOing the wagon's constituents I realized most of the people on the wagon don't have one.

Pedit: Zdenek, I'll be doing a comprehensive analysis of DGB's play later. I'll answer you there.

[Zdenek]

Anyone else think that there's a list of town-tells in the scum QT?

[Rainbowdash]

Good to know I think...

Explain your D1 with KBW though, especially with relation to me jumping hard on him early as policy lynch worthy. I know you have seen him play, but when I actually come in swinging hard at him as being a strong candidate for policy lynch, especially if he is kinda scummy - im actually more than a bit surprised that you didnt agree let alone really even notice it given timeframes.

Your basic mentions of him D1:

Post is bad (71)
He is still scum (actually this is the first time you call him scum - and its happening when im calling for a policy lynch)
*ugh I need to read my own iso more... ive done that "call correct pairing" more than once and forget about it later*

When you

know

the type of player he is... I just dont really see you ignoring him as much as you do as town. If nothing else to give some sort of agreemnt or counter insight on him since I dont think many if any other players here have been in a game with him.

Going off that "own iso" thing im going to move Jen to somewhat solid town. Usually when im getting one thing right im getting quite a bit right. Im also going to continue to call HD scum for when I said "Jen is town, im voting KBW for now though" again challenging that without really giving any other counter reads to those two (and KBW was apparently scum to him)

Plus go look at 1278/1281

Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

Then tried to delay TUA lynch a day when first pushed by DGB...
Backs DGB for about next large amount of time ignoring anything else...
Eventually decides to continue to back DGB and sheep TUA when its obvious thats his only option...

He really is scum, if it takes a couple hours of me sitting down this weekend to prove it thats what it will take.

Im gunna say Syryana is town, Bulb is more 50-50ish, im not going back there. Maybe would back MM lynch, probably not.

[DrippingGoofball]

Then lynch me so you can start looking for scum.

I'm pretty sure I'm badgering Syryana and Bulbazak harder than you.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote HD

@MO - Im actually really interested in seeing why you are willing to call him town off meta here. Ive played with him three times (twice as scum one as town), as town he replaced into a slot I read as scum and turned that one around fairly fast. One as scum he came off as obv-town, the other one I was able to get him lynched (although I was kinda surprised at being able to).

This one he is NOT reading town, and he is commiting a bunch of me-like scumtells which just paranoias me up a whole lot. There are some players you lynch when you read as scum, there are some players you lynch when you cant read them as town. HD may trend to the second group, I have close to zero town read there (for the first time with him ever) and somewhat of a scumread.

@HD - Do you see meta by difference as a valid way to use it? For example "Player X was scum in this past game, they arent reading the same here so player X is town"?

Im not quite on the same page as Titan, but I would lynch DGB in F3 over a few others as it stands. Again scum would be foalish not to bus in this type of situation, especially with lynchbait-VI KBW and hydra thats half lynchbait (NC).

Voting a townie, questioning townie reads on a townie, the paranoia-scumtell, double-bus'ing accusations...

[DrippingGoofball]

If your definition of looking for scum is nonchalantly declaring half the playerlist scum for completely arbitrary reasons, then yes, you're scumhunting.

I've been doing that for nearly 8 years, thanks.

[Zdenek]

I was wrong thinking that DCL could be town because of Rach calling out TUA on their KBW vote. She thought he was scum too, so the reaction below looks fake.

I do agree that as annoying as Key is, he should be lynched for scumminess not just cause he is annoying to play with.

You guys know Key is scum right?

vote:key

UA WTF??? What is your reasoning.

[DrippingGoofball]

He really is scum

Who?

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofball

-

Titan

, RachMarie

Antilles

-

Rainbowdash

,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal

-

BBmolla

,

Antilles

,

Jennifer

Jennifer

-

Ms. Marangal

,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

,

Human Destroyer

, zdenek

people in red needs lynched

people in green should never be lynched ever

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

I'm sorry, NO WAY does a scum post a list of people "NEVER BE LYNCHED EVER" in a nightless. And FIVE players, no less.

NO

WAY

But now that I notice it's pretty hilarious that he put himself in red as "needs lynched."

[Zdenek]

Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

I think this needs to be explained.

[BBmolla]

The thing about nightless is if we have like, 3 solid townreads we can just start lynching amongst the rest.

Instead were opting to take three decades per lynch.

Information overload imo

[Human Destroyer]

Good to know I think...

Explain your D1 with KBW though, especially with relation to me jumping hard on him early as policy lynch worthy. I know you have seen him play, but when I actually come in swinging hard at him as being a strong candidate for policy lynch, especially if he is kinda scummy - im actually more than a bit surprised that you didnt agree let alone really even notice it given timeframes.

Your basic mentions of him D1:

Post is bad (71)
He is still scum (actually this is the first time you call him scum - and its happening when im calling for a policy lynch)
*ugh I need to read my own iso more... ive done that "call correct pairing" more than once and forget about it later*

When you

know

the type of player he is... I just dont really see you ignoring him as much as you do as town. If nothing else to give some sort of agreemnt or counter insight on him since I dont think many if any other players here have been in a game with him.

Going off that "own iso" thing im going to move Jen to somewhat solid town. Usually when im getting one thing right im getting quite a bit right. Im also going to continue to call HD scum for when I said "Jen is town, im voting KBW for now though" again challenging that without really giving any other counter reads to those two (and KBW was apparently scum to him)

Plus go look at 1278/1281

Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

Then tried to delay TUA lynch a day when first pushed by DGB...
Backs DGB for about next large amount of time ignoring anything else...
Eventually decides to continue to back DGB and sheep TUA when its obvious thats his only option...

He really is scum, if it takes a couple hours of me sitting down this weekend to prove it thats what it will take.

Im gunna say Syryana is town, Bulb is more 50-50ish, im not going back there. Maybe would back MM lynch, probably not.

Wasn't around late Day 1; I remember KBW being scummy because of his voting pattern or something like that. He does tend to make a good policy lynch though, I agree.

@Bolded: Mastin doesn't bus was what I was thinking of. Reason I still came in voting Jen today though is that I thought their near immediate vote switch was trying to avoid said bussing.

DrippingGoofball

-

Titan

, RachMarie

Antilles

-

Rainbowdash

,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal

-

BBmolla

,

Antilles

,

Jennifer

Jennifer

-

Ms. Marangal

,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

,

Human Destroyer

, zdenek

people in red needs lynched

people in green should never be lynched ever

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

I'm sorry, NO WAY does a scum post a list of people "NEVER BE LYNCHED EVER" in a nightless. And FIVE players, no less.

NO

WAY

But now that I notice it's pretty hilarious that he put himself in red as "needs lynched."

I wasn't paying enough attention when I made that post

[Human Destroyer]

Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

I think this needs to be explained.

Done.

The thing about nightless is if we have like, 3 solid townreads we can just start lynching amongst the rest.

Instead were opting to take three decades per lynch.

Information overload imo

Oh yeah I didn't even think of that.

This would probably work.

[Zdenek]

Except, HD, I don't bus.

I SAW INVITATIONAL 15

BZZZT WRONG ANSWER

also titan I really hope you're joking about the PR claim thing

[Human Destroyer]

Well it'd work if we could decide on those 3 uber-towns.

P-Edit: Yeah I know but then I read Mind Reader Mafia; Mastin literally stopped bussing out of nowhere in the middle of a LYLO day just because he vowed to never bus again.

Stupid on his part I think, but such is the case.

[DrippingGoofball]

Bulbazak is flying under the radar, folks.

[BBmolla]

Oh yeah I didn't even think of that.

This would probably work.

The problem is if you get one of them wrong, you lose.

But as long as you don't quicklynch all within 6 hours and lose the game without a thought you'll be fine.

[Titan]

The thing about nightless is if we have like, 3 solid townreads we can just start lynching amongst the rest.

Instead were opting to take three decades per lynch.

Information overload imo

Hey BB, what's your read on me. And is me being paranoid of someone a scum tell?

If you have doubts about my alignment at all. Please proceed to putting your vote on me. Thank you.

[Human Destroyer]

I've taken a vow to never bus again

So much for vows, eh?

Oi! I told you to read the mafia QT! The explanation is in there.

Also, the dead QT itself says as much. The entirety of /invitational 15 was after Guile was already dead. It started after Guile was dead, it ended midway through D4. Furthermore, if you look at the timing, you'll realize that I stopped pushing UN as being scum at all immediately after I took the vow. (I didn't say as much since I took the vow while /invitational 15 was still ongoing; it's there in that mafia QT.) The vow was never broken. It simply hadn't existed at the time.

Seriously, timestamps are important.

^important post of importantness

Oh yeah I didn't even think of that.

This would probably work.

The problem is if you get one of them wrong, you lose.

But as long as you don't quicklynch all within 6 hours and lose the game without a thought you'll be fine.

I'm aware.

I think we can pull it off though.

[BBmolla]

You're prob town.

[DrippingGoofball]

And is me being paranoid of someone a scum tell?

Paranoia used to be my favorite card to play as scum. It gave me a free pass to cast suspicion on players and hop on any wagons. "You're so townie but I'm paranoid!" Very useful ploy.

[Human Destroyer]

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak
BBMolla
Rainbowdash

More than enough strong townreads to win this.

E z p z

Though, I guess we need to come to a consensus on 3 people that are basically so uber-town they win the game simply by not getting lynched. Sadly, I don't think there's

anyone

that's considered uber-town by everyone.

We need to fix this.

[BBmolla]

Is there no agreement in a mutual scumread amongst Titan/DGB/RBD?

Like I'm literally just sitting here with like 12 could-be-scumreads waiting for all of you to stop bickering and decide on one.