Micro 163: Maestro has a Great Idea! (DAY 2)

[pirate mollie]

borky when am I

not

abrasive? jesus christ I think I have mary poppins in this game compared to how I was in posh. I mean I told rob that he must need a breathing device to help him breathe cos he was so dumb and it turned out he uses a bipap at night! it is like you have never played with me before or something

[borkjerfkin]

Being abrasive while making a point is one thing, but you're not making any points. There is no analysis in any of those posts, just cryptic one liners and snark. Prior to #291 I honestly had no idea where you stood on

anything.

You say you think your point was made - what point?

[pirate mollie]

Being abrasive while making a point is one thing, but you're not making any points. There is no analysis in any of those posts, just cryptic one liners and snark. Prior to #291 I honestly had no idea where you stood on

anything.

You say you think your point was made - what point?

those posts were not snarky. I can do snarky and those posts were not it. and I often gyrate between one liners and lengthy paragraphs of what I think. you should know this by now. there is good thought in one-liners and it is a wee bit weird that you said I gave no follow-up when I followed up one of the one-liners with a vote.

re: "what point?"

which one. you quoted 4 posts and I made different points in all of them. right now you look like you are trying to manufacture a case out of this shit. I have been pretty clear on where I stand, I expect this crap from someone I do not know but not from someone I have played a bunch of games with. especially trying to use "abrasiveness" as some sort of scumtell.

[borkjerfkin]

Who is trying to manufacture a case? Seriously, explain your shit better. What were you trying to say about your reaction test in #279? What does #269 even mean? You asked me what I thought about Arc and never responded to my answer.

I'm tired of you using "I should know you better" as an excuse in every game we're in together. The fact is I have zero reason to read you as town right now because you're not fucking explaining anything.

[pirate mollie]

Who is trying to manufacture a case? Seriously, explain your shit better. What were you trying to say about your reaction test in #279? What does #269 even mean? You asked me what I thought about Arc and never responded to my answer.

#279. I was trying to explain that it was a reaction test.

#269. it had to do with the flow of conversation.

re arc: erm. I said that I think that I agree with your town read on her but I am not sure about her?

I'm tired of you using "I should know you better" as an excuse in every game we're in together. The fact is I have zero reason to read you as town right now because you're not fucking explaining anything.

cos most of the stuff you are pointing out are pretty explanatory?

you aren't town are you

[borkjerfkin]

No, I'm pretty fucking town

and you're giving out a bunch of nonanswers

[pirate mollie]

then why do you insist on going down this dumb trajectory

first I was suspect cos I was abrasive. blew that one out of the water.

then you are asking me about what I was trying to say in post #279 when it was clearly stated "dude, it was a reaction test". and then I answered that it was what I said it was, a bit of a reaction test. and you are saying that it is a non answer? what are you wanting to know exactly? you asked what it was and I told you what it was. if you want to know more then ask better questions cos I cannot fucking read your mind.

then you ask me about #269 when it was a flow of the convo. you say that I did not follow up in #146 and #148...when I did, with my vote on guy in #146. so your whole "not following up" is wrong and a misrep.

so there answers right there in front of you and what I am struggling with is why you are refusing to see them if you are town.

[ferretlover]

What questions do I need to answer? There were so many I couldn't keep up, 4 pages in a few hours.

[pirate mollie]

What questions do I need to answer? There were so many I couldn't keep up, 4 pages in a few hours.

does you role pm say that you and guy are "town masons" or does it say just "masons".

[borkjerfkin]

first I was suspect cos I was abrasive. blew that one out of the water.

That's not what I said:

That and Mollie has done nothing but try to snark people into not pressuring her.

#146, #269, #279, #280 all make it look like you're trying to make your target feel like a jackass rather than make a point.

I said you were being abrasive to the end of getting people not to interact with you, as people generally don't like being actively antagonized.

I'm not going to belabor the point -- if you think you were being helpful and easy to read early game I don't know what to tell you, because you weren't. You're engaging me now and I like that, but I still don't have a very good feel for you this game.

Why am I insisting on going down this trajectory? Because I don't understand most of your posts. I'll organize what I don't understand here:

1) Re: your reaction test: yes, I understand that it was a reaction test. That tells me nothing. What were you testing and how was the response?
2) I seriously just don't understand #269 at all and I don't know what "flow of the convo" means or how it works as an explanation. If it was a flippant comment then fine, but GIF didn't understand it either.
3) (Not terribly relevant anymore due to claims, but I asked this earlier) what is the difference between white knighting and just defending a townread?

[Maestro]

Xegarus has requested replacement.
Votecount will go here - soonish.

[borkjerfkin]

Xeg replaced out of other games too. I still think he's the shooter.

[ferretlover]

What questions do I need to answer? There were so many I couldn't keep up, 4 pages in a few hours.

does you role pm say that you and guy are "town masons" or does it say just "masons".

It says that we are confirmed town to ech other.

[ferretlover]

That means me and GIF^

[ferretlover]

Also dropping in a picture of the best animal in the world:

[borkjerfkin]

Ok, I'm back to straight up believing their claim.

[ArcAngel9]

Bork, you haven't answered my yesterday points... why??

[borkjerfkin]

If I didn't answer something it's because I didn't see it. Sec.

[borkjerfkin]

with 6 live.. 1 mislynch and 1 night kill... it will be 2:2
BORK, do you believe GIF & Ferret mason claim.. . ?

This? I already mentioned that I do. Otherwise I have no idea what you want me to answer.

[borkjerfkin]

And yeah this is a swingy as balls game and I'm aware of the risks. That's why I'm evaluating the viability of the claim itself rather than hedging the risks of what happens if I'm wrong. If I'm wrong either way we're pretty fucked.

[borkjerfkin]

I see what you're saying AA.

Yeah they would gain parity if we mislynched today and they were both Mafia.

On the other hand, if they're legit, and 2 of (Xeg, Mollie, AA) are scum aligned together, THAT faction gains parity tomorrow if we lynch a mason.

So I don't see how there's a clear roadmap that guarantees not to end the game in a loss today.

[borkjerfkin]

I am V/LA Friday morning - Sunday evening

[ArcAngel9]

mollie, do you believe GIF & Ferret claims?

[pirate mollie]

mollie, do you believe GIF & Ferret claims?

yes

[pirate mollie]

I said you were being abrasive to the end of getting people not to interact with you, as people generally don't like being actively antagonized.

I'm not going to belabor the point -- if you think you were being helpful and easy to read early game I don't know what to tell you, because you weren't. You're engaging me now and I like that, but I still don't have a very good feel for you this game.

some people get me and some people don't. we have at least a couple of completed games together and they were long ones too, so it isn't like you don't have a baseline for understanding. go read the first few pages in the posh game.

Why am I insisting on going down this trajectory? Because I don't understand most of your posts. I'll organize what I don't understand here:

1) Re: your reaction test: yes, I understand that it was a reaction test. That tells me nothing. What were you testing and how was the response?

I was testing the other players in the game. all of them. it is called shaking a few trees and see what falls out. nothing much fell from except that gif didn't panic about it. I said this in a post, I said "and the conclusion I can come to is guy is not retarded" or something like that.

this is what puzzles me, is what exactly are you not about this? like how are you not getting it?

2) I seriously just don't understand #269 at all and I don't know what "flow of the convo" means or how it works as an explanation. If it was a flippant comment then fine, but GIF didn't understand it either.

I was following chikflip's lead and then made a joke. again how is it that you are not getting this.

3) (Not terribly relevant anymore due to claims, but I asked this earlier) what is the difference between white knighting and just defending a townread?

wking is what scum do and defending a town read is what town do. does that answer your question?