/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Tierce]

Why aren't you voting, CES?

[Tierce]

Tierce is right.

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Tierce asked a question and didn't call for a hammer. Tierce would appreciate it if you stopped acting like she supports your latest blood frenzy, especially when last we me, Tierce had an expressed interest in her CES Townread.


Can we talk about Zach's death for a moment? Yes, he was absolutely clear once Nacho flipped Goon, but... why Zach? Simply a random choice among obvTown? Are the last scum more afraid of him than of Empire, Tammy or I? What happened there? This game seems to have more obvTown than the scum know what to do with, but they jumped from PR hunting to eliminating someone who was a guaranteed vanilla and who generally opposed the Nacho lynch until the hammer. Why Zach and not one of the three of us?

Tammy and Empire read Town, but... I don't really understand this kill. The reasoning I can see is superficial, and I don't like that. Ideas?

[Tierce]

EBWOP: when last we met*

Silly phone.

[Tierce]

...I could vote OGML.

[Tierce]

Shadoweh is not even reading again.

Zach was confirmed Town. Yes.

I did mention this.

That doesn't really explain the kill, because there are other players who are obviously Town who appeared to be more on the ball, especially with the Nacho lynch. There's probably something else there and your continued failure at actually reading posts is still making me very uncomfortable. Second justification is crap, because they could have killed me and then have Empire and Tammy fight each other. There wasn't really a lack of appetizing targets. Zach's death out of the set is an odd choice, because there were essentially four really obvious Town targets, and they went for the "safe" one.

[Tierce]

Something else before I forget: Unfortunately I think that Nacho's defense of N is scum-on-Town.

Empire, I'm a bit confused. No, they were not hunting for PRs with Vi, but we know that the scumteam knew Vi was essentially an innocent-cop, because Vi's role clears VTs, and probably didn't want another clear in their hands. That said, the Vi + Zach kills together make sense, because it's reducing an ever-increasing pile of obv/confTown. Johhog's death is not that unexpected if they were the ones shooting him--there was a softclaimed PR, and if they picked up on it, etc.

[Tierce]

She;s using a plural in "the last scum alive feel", Tammy. I use "scum" as plural as well.

[Tierce]

No, that makes sense.

But you should really try out this sleep thing. And Tammy as well.

[Tierce]

Ok, so I'm not voting for Shadoweh. She's cool.

It's really between OGML and CES for me. Everyone else is more town.

I agree with Tammy's point about CES attacking Vi and not Nacho and his response in 934 is pretty underwhelming. I also think him suddenly being lost is weird considering he seemed fine yesterday and Nacho was a scumread, but after thinking about it things like Nacho answering for him I don't think scum would do for a buddy. It's like screaming 'Hey! I'm protecting this person!' when it's not actually doing any protecting at all.

OGML on the other hand is just more ehhhh with a hint of town. I feel like I've said this before, but his interactions with Nacho point towards town (well everyone's do according to me so it doesn't mean much), while being more possible than CES', but on his own he (well N) is more town than CES.

Ugh, I so need to work out how to do scum interactions properly, but I'll just go CES unless something happens. If people that actually care about when a hammer happens want a hammer then say so.

Also, unrelated, but now that I'm sort of TET-level town, can we be DETT? (Or something similar, I'm pretty flexible) That would be super cool, and I know we could do with more vowels, but the only other option is OGML and yeah....no.

Alright, time for questions and comments then.

Why do you need to reread

me

if you are talking about "TET-level Town"? You seem to have discarded the reading you said you were going to do. Why? What changed?

CES being rather lost is perfectly understandable considering he just spent a week away from the game altogether. How is this a surprising thing? Don't you need to recheck things when you go V/LA as well?

And this pushing for a hammer makes me uncomfortable, when I've made it clear I don't want a hammer and the only ones voicing support of it are already in the wagon. We have a week, and this is the Day that people are pushing for things way before deadline? What's with the itchy fingers?

[Tierce]

I did reread you and decided you were very likely town.

Why?

[Tierce]

Fine, you can be Town too.

[Tierce]

Obviously yes? If I'm analyzing tone and it reads as scummy or Townie, that information is relevant, both for others and for me to remember on later times what the hell I was doing. I have enough :whimsy: to forget these things if I give them a few days, and those initial impressions are important to me. How is this even a question, Benedick?

[Tierce]

CTD WAS A TRAITOR HOW COULD HE DESIRE ANYTHING BENMAGE

Just HOW do you expect a traitor to have an influence on the nightkill choice?

Come on. You are better than this.

[Tierce]

CTD WAS A TRAITOR HOW COULD HE DESIRE ANYTHING BENMAGE

Just HOW do you expect a traitor to have an influence on the nightkill choice?

Come on. You are better than this.

That said, I do not think Benmage-scum would fake this derp.

...but I am quickly running out of scumspects.

Whatever, it's 11h30 am and I should have gone to bed hours ago. No sleep due to a health scare = bad idea.
So that first and musings later.

[Tierce]

How many Townies do we need to break this? I'm willing to bet this game on Empire, Tammy and Deas (and obviously me) all being Town. Quite sure the last scum would be in Shadoweh/OGML/CES because Benmage and Llama look Town.

#YOUONLYSLEEPONCE


Tammy is Town, though.

[Tierce]

Not when I feel like I'm punch-drunk with exhaustion. I'd like to hear more from CES anyway.

[Tierce]

I'm about to pass out; just checking in.

[Tierce]

And there we have Nacho's competent partner flipped. Well done, Empire.


I need to make this vote pun before we run out of game. If this is right, I tip my hat to Llamarble, who called the Nacho/OGML team on D1/D2 and had CES arguing against it.

VOTE: #YOLOhGodMyLife



Sleeeeep.

[Tierce]

Oh, also, also, this:

What's frustrating is that both of them left their vote on someone who isn't getting lynched. And I have a sneaking feeling they're both laughing at us trying to figure out which one we should lynch when they would both flip scum.

Well done you. It was too obvious and I was trying to complicate reasoning, mea culpa, etc.

[Tierce]

Woo(f)!

[Tierce]

Quick random fact: maybe not quicklynching when the obvTown players are asking for time and/or it's less than 24 hours into the Day would be a good idea...?

Just a thought.

[Tierce]

I don't think the quicklynching mattered, some people had townier reads on DV at that point, anyway.

Doesn't mean it's not bad practice either way. Thankfully, nothing bad came of it, but it was incredibly frustrating to come online and see we were on Night 5 not 24 hours into the Day. There was nothing gained from the OGML quicklynch and we could have lost a lot. I understand Llamarble's reasoning, but still.

We should have lynched CES immediately when he suggested Closed White Flag. 1) It was a vanilla claim, 2) it required special wincons in a Large Normal and 3) it was specifically tailored to draw out PR claims, and he even got one from Konowa.

Talking about Konowa, that Empire block on N1 was awful.

[Tierce]

Apologies for replacing out everyone, this new job has me grinding out 70+ hours a week. That block on Empire was made out of complete paranoia. I guess it transferred to him because I was so certain of that read on you, Tierce.

Wait,

how

? You read me as Town, know I have a crazy strong Townread on one of the players I'm most familiar with in this game, and... roleblock him?