With no godfather, framer, bus driver, etc, the only way HD is scum is if I am his teammate or if I am lying about my investigation, and I assure you I am not. Doing that in this type of game would be moronic.In post 2837, Remembrance wrote:I don't know why you mentioned the possibility of an HD/IaI scum team though. It's a false dilemma. There are more possibilities
Mostly because Bulder and Bork hopped on the fate wagon and sat on it, while HD was pushing the counterwagons (SE Asians/Wisdom). There was also some connections I saw with Nacho, which during my reread N2 I started to heavily suspect (which makes his death even more bizarre!)In post 2837, Remembrance wrote:Obligatory question: Why did you investigate HD, over the others on your list?
Post 2708In post 2838, kuror0 wrote:Can you remember me where I rejected those options? Because right now I have no memory of doing so.
Yes but the thing that bothers me is scum knows how many cops there are, so you are saying that you are town, so they went for Nacho, who used his doc power already, over:In post 2838, kuror0 wrote:Also look that on both nights the kill went to people that weren't claimed powers for that night. As for why Nacho over Mollie or Bulde is not something I know the answer. I targeted him because I really wanted to have a 100% accurate read of him and work whit his reads and let others fully trust him, if I wanted just to give a fake investigation I could have gone for Remember or Mantis instead of just putting a rope around my neck having him killed the same night I confirm him.
No, you just said "Pff I did my pool before it was an idea. Leaving IaI aside I will either investigate Nacho, Mantis or Remem. So IaI can choose freely among the other players."In post 2838, kuror0 wrote:First I must say I didn't "insist" on having my list. I first did it to narrow the possible targets and to let you choose freely so we didn't collide on the same target. Then Nacho or someone else said we both should do it and came whit more ideas but I'm pretty sure I didn't reject any option. It just happened to be the one that most people agreed whit. Also you could have asked me to trade people if you were uncomfortable whit it or something.
See the 2 posts below:
In post 2656, I Am Innocent wrote:Lets finish the claims tho, and then my suggestion would be for mollie to split the list of remaining players excl fate evenly between the cops so no duplicate investigation could happen. Each cop then chooses someone from his list to investigate.
Sound good?
In post 2690, I Am Innocent wrote:Buldermar, you a N2 cop? SE Asians, are you a N2 cop?
Based on hints these 2 both made earlier, I'm guessing no, so Mollie, get that list ready. I'll even get it started for you...
IAI pool: Kuror, ? ? ? ?
Kuror pool: IAI ? ? ? ?
My concerns with Kuror/Remembrance is 1) why would kuror even include someone on his list to investigate who "screams town real hard". That typically does not fit the criteria for me when I consider who I investigate. Yet including him on his list kept me from investigating him as he would not be in my list...In post 2847, pirate mollie wrote:what are you talking about hereIn post 2834, I Am Innocent wrote:Partially due to the jumping off of the Fate wagon at L-2, and partially due to the fact that Kuror had a scum read on Mantis, but Remembrance "screams town real hard" to him. Not the kind of player I'd expect a cop to consider investigating.
You are theorizing a lot about the NK choice and accusing me based on that theory. I can't really know why they choose Nacho over all the other possible targets. If you gonna accuse me of being scum use facts and not theory because it is impossible for me to defend against suppositions.In post 2854, I Am Innocent wrote: Yes but the thing that bothers me is scum knows how many cops there are, so you are saying that you are town, so they went for Nacho, who used his doc power already, over:
1) You
2) Me
3) At least one future cop (HD)
That is pretty gutsy play on there part, to leave this many investigations on the board by killing someone who didn't look all that clean.
If scum was nervous to take a shot at outted N2 cops due to possible N2 docs, they should have at least taken a shot at the unknown pool*** (HD, Mantis, Rubicon) knowing there was at least one cop in that group.
In post 2854, I Am Innocent wrote:No, you just said "Pff I did my pool before it was an idea. Leaving IaI aside I will either investigate Nacho, Mantis or Remem. So IaI can choose freely among the other players."
This doesn't sound like someone willing to change their philosophy.
That's why I was acknowledging I was letting you out. The list was the idea most people agreed so don't try to blame it on me like I imposed it over everyone else's opinion. When I first made it, it was to avoid colliding targets whit you, not to try to create a system.In post 2691, Nachomamma8 wrote:don't investigate each other and don't do the pool shit
). So, why you did not fake your result? Why change of heart in my slot? First, I investigated Nacho who I also had as a townread and you don't see it as a problem. Second, don't judge me for not following the same criteria you would. It was my night action and I used it as I thought it was the best for town. Third, you could have asked me for a trade on people if you were uncomfortable whit it, it is not like I opposed to any change.In post 2855, I Am Innocent wrote: My concerns with Kuror/Remembrance is 1) why would kuror even include someone on his list to investigate who "screams town real hard". That typically does not fit the criteria for me when I consider who I investigate. Yet including him on his list kept me from investigating him as he would not be in my list...
Then the read itself, since when Fate got to L-2 D1, as soon as he did and claimed N3 cop, Remembrance jumped off the wagon. Hindsight to me would make that slot no longer "scream town real hard" just for that move alone.
Because faking a result here would be the worst idea ever? I could be saying a scum is town or framing an innocent and fucking everything up. Do you think there is a benefit for town to fake a result?In post 2857, SE-Asians wrote: @Kuroro : I ever observed one of your game before (with JasonWazza, Revenus, Bitmap, and the others I forget), when you as town cop and you faked your result (your target killed at the same night, twice in row
There are seldom facts to use in this game; theorization will often have to do.In post 2856, kuror0 wrote:You are theorizing a lot about the NK choice and accusing me based on that theory. I can't really know why they choose Nacho over all the other possible targets. If you gonna accuse me of being scum use facts and not theory because it is impossible for me to defend against suppositions.
In post 2856, kuror0 wrote:You are theorizing a lot about the NK choice and accusing me based on that theory. I can't really know why they choose Nacho over all the other possible targets. If you gonna accuse me of being scum use facts and not theory because it is impossible for me to defend against suppositions.
Please show me where people agreed with your idea over mine or the 2 nacho suggested.In post 2856, kuror0 wrote:That's why I was acknowledging I was letting you out.The list was the idea most people agreed so don't try to blame it on me like I imposed it over everyone else's opinion. When I first made it, it was to avoid colliding targets whit you, not to try to create a system.
No no no! You and I said we were cops. Since scum can fake claim cop, neither you nor I should have had any say on our list. So "you could have asked me for a trade on people if you were uncomfortable whit it, it is not like I opposed to any change" was not a pro-town option.In post 2858, kuror0 wrote:First, I investigated Nacho who I also had as a townread and you don't see it as a problem. Second, don't judge me for not following the same criteria you would. It was my night action and I used it as I thought it was the best for town. Third, you could have asked me for a trade on people if you were uncomfortable whit it, it is not like I opposed to any change.
Lastly, I have already said what I think about Remem, some single actions are scummy but his overall play looks town motivated. Also, because I have experience playing whit him is that I have this read. Again don't judge me for having a different Point of view, I develop my reads whit my own criteria not following yours or a canon.
You are the one that must show me where people disagreed whit that idea and I still decided to carry over it. No one complained about it and so I understand they agreed whit it. If they had complaints or were against it no one stopped from speaking up.In post 2863, I Am Innocent wrote:Please show me where people agreed with your idea over mine or the 2 nacho suggested.
In post 2691, Nachomamma8 wrote:don't investigate each other and don't do the pool shit
Why you reduce it to those 2 options only? It is highly convenient to make me look as scum but not based on the real possibilities.In post 2863, I Am Innocent wrote: When you step back and think about it, the only benefit of killing Nacho is 1) if there were no future cops to worry about or 2) if someone had a list of 3 candidates to investigate, and one was his teammate, and Nacho was one of the other two.
We know #1 doesn't possibly work***, so it makes #2 seem more likely, no?
We all knew scum could fake claim any role since day one, so if you didn't agree whit it why didn't you say so? Or do you think it is pro town to jump on me ex post-facto instead of trying to avoid that from the beginning?In post 2863, I Am Innocent wrote: No no no! You and I said we were cops. Since scum can fake claim cop, neither you nor I should have had any say on our list. So "you could have asked me for a trade on people if you were uncomfortable whit it, it is not like I opposed to any change" was not a pro-town option.
But you said, nope, I'm keeping my 3 players.
Do you at least agree if there was 1 fake cop and 1 real cop on a certain day with 2 remaining scum alive, that the 1 fake cop would probably want his teammate on his list?
Get Nacho back in this game. You have the power, so use it for something!In post 2868, Majiffy wrote:Hey guys this is just your friendly neighborhood mod checking in. I'm really bored. Are you? Do I have prods due? I have no idea, because I don't really give a fuck about things like activity and accurate vote counts.
Have fun posting!
