NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:41 am

In post 859, Bacde wrote:Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeing

VOTE: nacho

Oversoul · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:42 am

In post 866, Bulbazak wrote:Regarding your "gambit", why did you choose "roles" specifically?

If you are trying to do something psychological I wish you luck, lol.
I said roles because I didn't want to say definitively "oh there is a vig, oh there is an SK" that could let people who had the ability to kill to have a buy.
Mainly, I just wanted to be inclusive of all possible killing roles while being vague enough to see if people brought up specific roles or not.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:44 am

In post 872, Seanald wrote:
In post 870, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Redryu in junction with being passive to the bulb/hd-OM argument
not sure I understand this question, wasn't everyone being passive because their arguement was annoying as hell and everyone just told them to shut up? or has this arguement been going on since pages 20-29 cuz I havn't read the 20's yet.

It's currently in 30 page area. Ill just wait until you finish catching up.

Any gut feels of reads or anything.

And no, don't you dare lurk.

~Mala

Seanald · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:45 am

I think arcangel is a strong town read for me right now, this is based mainly on Meta and it's relation to this game.

I have a soft spot for Oversoul cuz of 90's mafia so my heart says town but my mind is still leary.

Om is null to me, ive seen him do that stupid shit before and it hasn't really been alignment indicative to me.

Seanald · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:46 am

In post 877, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Any gut feels of reads or anything.

I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....

Desperado · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:47 am

In post 873, Red Ryu wrote:Oversoul town if role is legit

How do you make that mistake if you are actually reading the thread? It's all we've been talking about two pages.

Seanald · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:48 am

In post 879, Seanald wrote:
In post 877, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Any gut feels of reads or anything.
I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....

and I have a town read on crash Text Dummie for the way he explained and handled the massclaim thing in the beginning pages there.

Red Ryu · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:51 am

In post 881, Seanald wrote:
In post 879, Seanald wrote:
In post 877, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Any gut feels of reads or anything.
I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....
and I have a town read on crash Text Dummie for the way he explained and handled the massclaim thing in the beginning pages there.

Explain.

I had the opposite.

Slandaar · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:52 am

In post 870, Amethyst Kitty wrote: Why are we town exactly?

When the mod randomised the PM's you received a town one.

Why are you asking such silly questions?

Oversoul · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:54 am

In post 878, Seanald wrote:I have a soft spot for Oversoul cuz of 90's mafia so my heart says town but my mind is still leary.

<3

EddieFenix · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 8:12 am

In post 859, Bacde wrote:Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

I don't have time to deal with you right now when I have other suspicions on my mind.

Oversoul wrote:
In post 853, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 847, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 823, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 820, Oversoul wrote:
Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.
Explain this:

In post 204, Oversoul wrote: There are at least *2* killing roles in this game.
He was lying about there being 2 killing roles to make a believable story. The quote you are asking him to explain about is just fluff from the gambit while it was going on during early day 1.
Eddie, let Oversoul and others answer their own questions and defend themselves.

Oversoul, I still want you to answer this.
Explain what? That is my Informed Townie claim. I just said that the claim was a gambit and everything that was related to it was a lie.
I did it to get reactions.

If you mean specifically why that information well because it was something I could say that wouldn't immediately be a lie. I was legitimate in applying the fact that Mastin had 7 people review this game. There are probably a lot of roles and such that required that much balance maintenance.
It is also very large so I can see it going the way of Peregrine's Playground Mafia which was large and had a lot of roles too.

Tangent, what do you think of Eddie intervening and answering the question for me?

I wasn't answering FOR you at all. So, let's stick to the facts here.

What Bulba was asking is something I figured he, of ALL people that I know in this game, would pick up on with his reading. I saw the post you made back a couple pages ago coming out about your gambit (the one you just mentioned in this post). Spoon fed him the OBVIOUS answer/conclusion that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could figure out if they took the time to read that response you posted.

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 858, Oversoul wrote: Tangent, what do you think of Eddie intervening and answering the question for me?
It's very frustrating, as I was asking that question for a specific reason, and him answering the question tainted any results I might obtain.
The question was not as "open and shut" as he tried to paint it, and now I'm left to pick up the pieces, as I cannot trust the reaction I have gotten from you.

That's cute you trying to blame me for something that

was

open and close that anyone else would have come to that conclusion with a simple 2+2 equation.

Bulbazak wrote:He did the same thing with my question to Cephrir earlier in the game. By doing this, he is giving the other person a pass to either not answer or to copy his answer. It ruins any potential reads I might get. Not sure if I'd call his actions scummy, but it's definitely anti-town at this point.

Translation: He's pointing out things that any town with 2 brain cells in their head can put together if they are paying attention/reading.

Bulbazak wrote: Regarding your "gambit", why did you choose "roles" specifically?

This is an easy one...

Oversoul wrote:
In post 866, Bulbazak wrote:Regarding your "gambit", why did you choose "roles" specifically?
If you are trying to do something psychological I wish you luck, lol.
I said roles because I didn't want to say definitively "oh there is a vig, oh there is an SK" that could let people who had the ability to kill to have a buy.
Mainly, I just wanted to be inclusive of all possible killing roles while being vague enough to see if people brought up specific roles or not.

tl;dr, "Just tell the lie like it's the truth and it might as well be true."

I'm leaving B&TB alone for now. I've got a much stronger feeling on Bulbazak right now.

Unvote
Vote Bulbazak.

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Desperado · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 8:30 am

Eddie you are way off base on this. Let's suppose everything you say is true, and that any townie "with two brain cells to rub together" could figure out the answer. Well, Bulba isn't sure that Oversoul is town, is he? So if he's scum, he has to come up with a satisfactory answer for his actions, which by definition will be manufactured because he isn't town. You stepping in to answer the question for him, even granting everything you say is genuine, still interferes with his scumhunting of Oversoul. This is what he means when he calls your behavior anti-town, and he's 100% RIGHT.

mastin2 · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:02 am

Ninteenth Votecount

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AKA, the "prods going out" votecount

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Nachomamma8 - 5 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Red Ryu - 3 (Oversoul, Thor665, Baby Spice)

Bulbazak - 3 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut, EddieFenix)
Oversoul - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Cephrir)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (Bulbazak)
DLG - 1 (Desperado)

Not Voting - 7 (Mac, Syryana, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).
Rondar is being prodded.
I am poking Thor.

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Oversoul · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 am

In post 885, EddieFenix wrote:I wasn't answering FOR you at all. So, let's stick to the facts here.

I'm not attacking you here. I actually thank you for answering it because I thought the answer was obvious as well. I guess we both misunderstood what Bulb was actually getting at since it seems to be more than just motivation and involves specific wording.

Anyway, I don't think what you did was actually scummy. Especially since you're attacking me here. The only reason I could see someone doing what you did as scum was to tie themselves to the other person. You attacking me makes me think you are worried about being associated with me which goes against the original premise.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:24 am

In post 886, Desperado wrote:Eddie you are way off base on this. Let's suppose everything you say is true, and that any townie "with two brain cells to rub together" could figure out the answer. Well, Bulba isn't sure that Oversoul is town, is he? So if he's scum, he has to come up with a satisfactory answer for his actions, which by definition will be manufactured because he isn't town. You stepping in to answer the question for him, even granting everything you say is genuine, still interferes with his scumhunting of Oversoul. This is what he means when he calls your behavior anti-town, and he's 100% RIGHT.

I 100% agree with this we even have a name for it on several sites that we have been using for years it is called "guapo's law". it means do not answer questions that are directed at other people it is bad town play

Bacde · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:28 am

guys take out the head and the body will die

Nacho is scumbutt #1 and I REFUSE to even CONSIDER bandwagoning anyone else until we get this situation resolved

Bacde · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:30 am

In post 875, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 859, Bacde wrote:Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago
guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeing

VOTE: nacho

thank you thank you

yes I'm right

yes I am

Nero Cain · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:30 am

Can AK be her buddy?

Bacde · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:31 am

In post 892, Nero Cain wrote:Can AK be her buddy?

YES!

now vote for nacho

Nero Cain · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:32 am

no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.

Bacde · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:34 am

In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.

why?

Red Ryu · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:36 am

guys take out the head and the body will die

Nacho is scumbutt #1 and I REFUSE to even CONSIDER bandwagoning anyone else until we get this situation resolve

Red Ryu · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:36 am

In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.

Cop this guy.

Nero Cain · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:39 am

In post 895, Bacde wrote:
In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.
why?

like I'm going to follow a silly fruit.

In post 897, Red Ryu wrote:
In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.
Cop this guy.

Why?

Bulbazak · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 9:40 am

In post 885, EddieFenix wrote: What Bulba was asking is something I figured he, of ALL people that I know in this game, would pick up on with his reading. I saw the post you made back a couple pages ago coming out about your gambit (the one you just mentioned in this post). Spoon fed him the OBVIOUS answer/conclusion that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could figure out if they took the time to read that response you posted.

Because I was looking to see what his reaction would be! I've had a scumread on him since the beginning of the game, and he just came out and told us that he lied, so I asked him about something from his original claim that was incredibly specific. I wanted to see whether he would contradict himself, backpedal, or stick to his guns. Up until you answered, he had been ignoring my question. Your answering for him skewed my results, making them worthless.

In post 885, EddieFenix wrote: That's cute you trying to blame me for something that
was
open and close that anyone else would have come to that conclusion with a simple 2+2 equation.

It was not open and shut. Oversoul pulled a very specific number of killing roles out of his butt, and I wanted to know why he chose that number. Saying, "Well, it was a lie." is too easy of an answer, but it's not the right one. There had to be a reason why he chose that number specifically. I wanted to see by his reaction whether it was because of setup spec or intimate knowledge.

In post 885, EddieFenix wrote:
Bulbazak wrote:He did the same thing with my question to Cephrir earlier in the game. By doing this, he is giving the other person a pass to either not answer or to copy his answer. It ruins any potential reads I might get. Not sure if I'd call his actions scummy, but it's definitely anti-town at this point.
Translation: He's pointing out things that any town with 2 brain cells in their head can put together if they are paying attention/reading.

I asked Cephrir specifically about his opinion. Again, this would have allowed me to get a read on him. You sabotaged that.

In post 885, EddieFenix wrote:
Bulbazak wrote: Regarding your "gambit", why did you choose "roles" specifically?
This is an easy one...

Actually, it's not.

Roles

is a very specific word choice. I wanted to find out whether he was talking about factions or actual roles (i.e. SK, vig, etc.). Again, I was looking to see if there was intimate foreknowledge of the setup(in other words, knowledge that he could not have possibly known as town).

In post 885, EddieFenix wrote: "Just tell the lie like it's the truth and it might as well be true."

I have no idea what you're saying here...

P-edit: What the crap is going on with Bacde? That is looking less and less like a town response. Also noticed that Ryu is sheeping him very closely. If Ryu is scum, so is Bacde. I'm not feeling very good about the Nacho wagon right now.