In post 3033, Remembrance wrote:Let me go through the reasoning:
HD claims cop
IaI says he got an innocent result on HD town.
IaI says we should not lynch our scum reads or get them to claim so that HD can be protected by the scum team's ignorance of whether there is a doc or not.
-> Changes his mind, asks Rubicon to claim.
-> Does not get angry at Mantis for the mistake.
-> Claims Mantis is trying to get him killed, before he becomes obv. town because of his protown play this day.
-> You don't think IaI would do this because it lowers his chances of mislynches. Given the player's reads at the time of his announcement.
Is this correct?
Problem statement: when I gave my reads, I was fully and completely aware of who he had in his pool of investigation. I could have just as easily changed my secondary scum read, I hadn't announced it yet, and could have moved it into the other pool of investigations. but I didn't care because that's not my primary objective. Further, he has used this very same reasoning to defend himself from suspicion. The job of the scum team is to not get lynched. He has tried to convinced people of this by arguing that it wouldn't make sense for him to do what he has done as scum. But that is what scum's primary objective is. With that said, I'm more worried about the leading, than the "I'd never do this as scum" bit. Town do that a lot too. Sometimes it even makes sense. I'm also worried because his play changed substantially from day 1 to now.
Couple of corrections/clarifications:
"IaI says we should not lynch our scum reads or get them to claim so that HD can be protected by the scum team's ignorance of whether there is a doc or not." I asked for 2 people to be left alone, the two that could have been a N3 doc.
"-> Changes his mind, asks Rubicon to claim." Rubicon was at L-1, which means nobody listened to me. Should I have kept quiet and let a possible N3 doc die? So don't friggin make it sound like I just flip flopped for no friggin reason. So either you have an agenda here or are just a moron.
"-> Does not get angry at Mantis for the mistake." How do you know I wasn't angry. I have been angry at a lot of things this game. Another thing that angered me that I didn't feel the need to be brought up was Bulder's claim D3....no reason to say he was a night 2 doc. Keeping quiet adds to the pool of hidden possible docs that could have protected HD N3. Instead the scum could just check Bulder off their list as a doctor who already used his power (assuming he is town)
In post 3043, Rubicon wrote:If I'm not replaced by the deadline, I'll switch my vote to whichever wagon Remembrance tells me to.
Why Remembrance over Mollie?
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My biggest issue before and still is that if me, kuror, HD, and Rubicon are all cops (I know 2 of these to be true), why did scum kill nacho rather than take a shot of the unknowns that included HD and Rubicon? Esp when kuror and I were very likely to return two results (the only chance we wouldn't is if kuror investigated Nacho).
Which in my mind means that at least one of kuror and Rubicon are scum. If it is kuror, I still say Remembrance or Mantis are the teammate. Not sure if Rubicon is the scum who the last teammate is.
Oh, and to Mantis's comment earlier that scum don't like to draw attention as a fake-cop by claiming to investigate the NK target, Mollie, Bulder, would you like to refute that comment based on what I did in Posh as the fake cop N2? WIFOM mantis.
I am willing to hammer Mantis, will give anyone who wants to speak one last chance.
