Mini 1450: Hillbilly Hunt Mafia (Game Over)

[MaraPim]

First of, Mr Ree's self meta argument.
CoolDog mentioned that he thought Ree meant that he hadn't read his role PM. To disprove this, Mr Ree mentioned that he has done it in a different game and he shows how and why. He's not saying that he's town for doing it before as town. Huge difference

Timewarp is scummy for this:

Ree looks like scum. He's trying to get a noob lynched.

Ree is looking better and I'm still happy with our MrObv vote.
He's off.

Also, some players need to explain why they see CoolDog as town. I forgot which players saw him as town.

[Mr_Ree]

@ Timewarp: how could your vote help anyone if you aren't voting anyone?

I read newbies pretty well. Newbie scum is still scum and deserves to be lynched.

In you 2 posts you have indicated
1. You want to coast and let others play for you.
2. You haven't yet read the 5 pages, therefore:
3. You are skimming through simply looking for votes on you

I'm not seeing the town motivation here.

[CooLDoG]

Sorry I haven't been able to post, having internet problems. Hopefully will get that fixed tomorrow.

I'm glad that we're back in RVS.

Why not do something about it then?

If I get lynched over "talking like a hill billy" in a hill billy game, that is not a game I would like to be in.

Have you been paying attention? I was saying that talking like a hillbilly made you seem more

town.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking to ree...

I just skimmed through Cooldog's post. Are you using a Meta argument to say that you always vote people who use Meta arguments because you think Meta is only used by scum?

Really?

If meta is your only defense then 100% yes. I will lynch your ass every game for saying the words "I did it in xyz game and I flipped town, therefore I am town here".

That does not extend to attacks: "xyz is scummy because he did this in zyx game". I simply don't find those arguments compelling, not scummy.

First of, Mr Ree's self meta argument.
CoolDog mentioned that he thought Ree meant that he hadn't read his role PM. To disprove this, Mr Ree mentioned that he has done it in a different game and he shows how and why. He's not saying that he's town for doing it before as town. Huge difference

So is he saying he is scum for doing it? seriosu question. If he wasn't trying to prove he was town by his self meta, why did he bring it up in the discussion of his weird non-reading/helf-read/sorta reading... rolepm thing?

Hay, ree, serious question: are you scum for doing the role pm in the last game you were town in? Is that your argument? because I think you are trying to say you are town for doing the same thing as town... Hay mara could be right, but both ways I'm still happy with your lynch.

[Mr_Ree]

Are you setting a trap for me? How cute.

[Mr_Ree]

I'll bite. I was trying to say it was null. Did you not see that? It's in the same post.

My answers, no, no and no

Nice misrepresent.

[Bacde]

VOTE: Thor

[CooLDoG]

I'll bite. I was trying to say it was null. Did you not see that? It's in the same post.

My answers, no, no and no

Nice misrepresent.

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you aren't trying to prove you are town, eh? You defense is just a load of hogwash. get over it and get yo ass lycnhed plox.

[ThAdmiral]

Ree looks like scum. He's trying to get a noob lynched.

Noob = town?

On that note...

@ThAd

...htf can you think timewarp is obvtown based off his first post?  And you're on and off of MrObv so quickly seems suspect to me.  Also...wrt your Post 104...I do not see CoolDog or nopoints voting Mr Ree for being defensive.  They may have said or inferred he was being defensive (not so sure if nopoints did) but that wasn't why they voted him.

Ah yeah the thing I said about timewarp was sarcasm. Thought that was more obvious...
My stance on mr obvious changed from scum to overzealous town. I don't agree with him, but I believe his thinking comes form a town perspective.
Ree being defensive may not have been the main reason they voted him, but they still used it against him and I think it is a bad argument. It doesn't even make sense because it was after he voted timewarp - which is not being defensive or "trying to make himself look town".

Because you love self meta so much, let me give you some of mine, although I really hate it. In pretty much every single game I have one constant, do you know what that is? Every game I say that meta is bullshit. Every game. Not just once. Every game I say that meta is bullshit, why do I say that meta is bullshit? because the only purpose meta serves is to let scum hide behind a mystical "town meta" and avoid getting lynched.

I disagree. Meta can be helpful, but should always be taken with a large grain of salt. And of course meta is a lot less reliable if the person in question brings it up themselves.

[Mr_Ree]

Re: post 55: where in there does it say I didn't read or know my role? I had to confirm it didn't I? How does that post give me towncred?

Wait wait wait. Why not use the actual questions?

X. Marapim asked if she could trust me.
Y. I answered of course you can (I assume the next part is Z )
Z. I'm the (insert multiple roles so nobody thinks I'm claiming)

You said only scum would do that.
I said it doesn't indicate I'm of either alignment, here's proof (insert proof)

Then you said that only scum would provide self Meta. Then you provided two examples of self Meta. 2 examples.

You gave one to say that you are pressing Meta arguments because you always press Meta arguments as town. "Because the only purpose Meta serves is to let scum hide behind a mystical 'town meta' and avoid getting lynched

/facepalm. I always press Meta arguments as town...

You gave the next to say you suck as Mafia? No, wait, to say that any scummy action can be explained by Meta. Any scummy action?

The difference between what I did and what you just did is that your metaisms were given arbitrarily and work completely against you and mine simply proved you wrong.

Your argument is basically: Self Meta(the worst kind) is used exclusively by scum as a way to shut down scum hunting by confirming scummy actions as somehow being town. You go on to say that you believe in this tell and you always press Meta arguments as town.

You used

Meta

to say that you always press Meta as town. Then used

Meta

to say that you use Meta as scum.

Scum caught?

Further in the post you reply to townhunting. You are talking about townhunting exclusively. That's just ass backwards. Who does that? What did I say? A balanced approach. Town and scumhunting.

You must always be on the attack if you want to win the game? Do you think I'm new?

The key to winning is building strong reads. That can be accomplished in a myriad of different ways. It also means talking to all the players.
Ehem. Hint hint. Noticed you've been tunnelling pretty heavy. Did I make it personal?

Defense is scummy? So town should just let themselves get lynched because that's the townie thing to do? Are you not defending yourself now? Does that make you scum?

"Also, I don't really care about that. If I get lynched over 'talking like a hillbilly ' in a hillbilly game, that is not a game I'd like to be in"

AtE. Don't worry, that's not why anyone is going to vote you. They are going to vote you because you said that doing something is scummy, then proceeded to do it. Then you said that doing something else was scummy and proceeded to do that as well.

Unvote, vote Cooldog

See?

The joke I can accept. I took it as much.

[Mr_Ree]

I'll bite. I was trying to say it was null. Did you not see that? It's in the same post.

My answers, no, no and no

Nice misrepresent.

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you aren't trying to prove you are town, eh? You defense is just a load of hogwash. get over it and get yo ass lycnhed plox.

So again you seem to indicate defending yourself is scummy. Oh wait, except when you do it....riiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhtt.....

[Thor665]

I'm glad that we're back in RVS.

Why not do something about it then?

Like what?
Be out of the RVS and have a serious vote and discussions on hand?
I do.
Mock the people dragging themselves back into RVS?
I did.

What is your issue here?

I'm glad that we're back in RVS.

so does that means you won't put any effort into scum hunting? Come on, 5 pages and nothing thor?

Whut?

People who hate meta have a weird concept of what meta is.

Timewarp is like a miniMe, I want to keep him.
He looks town in any case, so...

@ThAd - I have self meta of never lying about my self meta...

[Mr_Ree]

I'm glad that we're back in RVS.

Why not do something about it then?

Like what?
Be out of the RVS and have a serious vote and discussions on hand?
I do.
Mock the people dragging themselves back into RVS?
I did.

What is your issue here?

I'm glad that we're back in RVS.

so does that means you won't put any effort into scum hunting? Come on, 5 pages and nothing thor?

Whut?

People who hate meta have a weird concept of what meta is.

Timewarp is like a miniMe, I want to keep him.
He looks town in any case, so...

@ThAd - I have self meta of never lying about my self meta...

@ Timewarp: how could your vote help anyone if you aren't voting anyone?

I read newbies pretty well. Newbie scum is still scum and deserves to be lynched.

In you 2 posts you have indicated
1. You want to coast and let others play for you.
2. You haven't yet read the 5 pages, therefore:
3. You are skimming through simply looking for votes on you

I'm not seeing the town motivation here.

Timewarp looks town???

[MaraPim]

Thor, I expected better answer's I guess? IDK, it looks like fluff

and I'm saying his Glom onto Ree is opportunistic because others were already attacking him, he was an easy target to attack. He used, what I consider, to be weak reasons to jump onto the biggest growing wagon which is pretty much the definition of opportunism...

This game is making my head spin

Time-warp, Why does Ree wanting to lynch a noob make him scum? your reason on him sounds a shit load like OMGUS

I'm willing to bet that either one of Cooldog or Fitz is scum but they aren't scum together.

~Mara
Pedit: woah, two walls. Reading them now.

[MaraPim]

Never mind, not walls.

But what makes you think Time-warp is town?

Thad, you too?

[MaraPim]

~Mara ^

[Mr_Ree]

@Marapim: Haven't really taken a solid look at Fitz or no point yet. I need more content from both. Cooldog is certainly a candidate. I can bet there's at least one on me. Chances are they'd be the one pushing it along but since everyone is using the worst reasons they can possibly manufacture, it's hard to separate the sheep from the wolves.

Cooldog's contradictions are a good place to start.

[Thor665]

Timewarp looks town???

Yeah, he does.

But what makes you think Time-warp is town?

Opportunistic scum looking to slide onto a mislynch rarely barge into the room wearing their pants on their head screaming 'pay attention, scummy stuff going down!' in my experience.

[CooLDoG]

I'm glad that we're back in RVS.

so does that means you won't put any effort into scum hunting? Come on, 5 pages and nothing thor?

Whut?

People who hate meta have a weird concept of what meta is.

Not about meta. Going back to rvs means that you have no reads, which I found to be unbelievable.

@ree, this prolong discussions gets the game nowhere. Suffice to say I think you are scum hiding behind meta, and you hate my guts and omgus me. anyway.

[Thor665]

Each line is a separate thought - you combined them to provide an even weirder answer than your initial call out.

[CooLDoG]

ohh okay.

getting out of rvs, presumably with reads, and then going back to rvs, presumably without reads, seems odd. Especially on page 5.

better now?

[ThAdmiral]

Never mind, not walls.

But what makes you think Time-warp is town?

Thad, you too?

no

[Thor665]

ohh okay.

getting out of rvs, presumably with reads, and then going back to rvs, presumably without reads, seems odd. Especially on page 5.

better now?

I would agree that seems odd.
Which is why I was annoyed so many people did it.
So...yes?

[MaraPim]

I was asking you why you think Timewarp is town...

I think Dog should stop talking, he gets scummier and scummier with each post. will talk to Pim about moving the vote again

~Mara

[MrObvious]

VOTE: Thor

Thor seems pretty obvTown to me. What gives?

[nopointinactingup]

Obvious is probably town. Who to vote though?

Vote: cooldog

I think his and noactingups argument that ree is scummy because he was defending himself is poor reasoning at best and pernicious at worst. I also am leery of people who keep their votes on their rvs target.

1> My argument was that Ree spent more time making himself look town (to no specific accusation), not defending himself. And you should best explain before throwing out those buzzwords. It makes me think you haven't really thought about it much.

2> So people can't find their RVS vote scummy after the RVS?

Ree looks like scum. He's trying to get a noob lynched.

Which noob and how?

I'll bite. I was trying to say it was null. Did you not see that? It's in the same post.

My answers, no, no and no

Nice misrepresent.

If it's null, why brought it up?