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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 7:28 am

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/confirm

Reading now.

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Votecount #3:
Broseidon - jmo16mla
TMTOLBTWNTOF - Does Bo Know, DCLXVI
DLCXVI - TMTOLBTWNTOF, RadiantCowbells, ThAdmiral, gorckat
jmo16mla - Rob13. BROseidon

Not voting - CooLDoG, guru guru, nhammen, Yates

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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 7:48 am

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VOTE: JMO
At first I thought Rob was creating a case to fit his read. JMO's responses to easy pressure have been - well - unimpressive.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 7:52 am

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What pressure?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:05 am

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I would like to make clear to everyone that I do not in any way support a jmo16mla lynch at this time.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:06 am

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In post 77, jmo16mla wrote:What pressure?
The pressure that evoked the responses in your ISO posts 9, 10, 11, and 12. Why are you pretending like you AREN'T feeling the pressure? Seems weird.

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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:07 am

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In post 78, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would like to make clear to everyone that I do not in any way support a jmo16mla lynch at this time.
By the by - is there a reason for this? Perhaps a post or some meta reasons causing you to lean Town on JMO that I wouldn't understand?
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:19 am

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Because I didn't feel I was under pressure.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:26 am

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In post 81, jmo16mla wrote:Because I didn't feel I was under pressure.
In that case, your posts 67 and 71 look even WORSE.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:55 am

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No they don't?

Besides, how does me being under pressure or not change you views of my post?

I riped his ass for having a shit argument. You got a problem with that?
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 10:38 am

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Give me a bit to be more precise with my thoughts of the game. I need to look a little harder at Letters and Less Letters to determine my vote.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 12:27 pm

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In post 65, Rob14 wrote:
In post 63, ThAdmiral wrote:Apart from the above I don't like the way you are trying to manipulate rob in to voting for tmt.
This kind of voices the reason behind the vague unease I've had over DCL's posts that I couldn't put my finger on. Do you think this is scummy, ThAd, or just someone arguing their viewpoint? I'm not entirely convinced on the answer to that question yet, so I still prefer my JMO vote.
I think it was particularly scummy that he was doing it before he had even voted tmt himself (he only voted after hassling you for a couple of posts). Furthermore he is using faulty logic - you are voting someone because of cognitive dissonance (which is a good tell btw), and he is trying to pigeonhole you into admitting "yes I found tmt scummy, so I must vote him over anyone else".
I'm not sure whether his angle is to protect jmo or attack tmt but either way something about it is off.
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In post 63, ThAdmiral wrote:Apart from the above I don't like the way you are trying to manipulate rob in to voting for tmt.
What makes you think this is manipulation and not just not properly comprehending Rob's argument?
Because he's not saying "I disagree with you" or asking him to clarify, he's saying "here's why you should be voting tmt based on your own logic", meanwhile the "logic" he is using is a twisted interpretation of what rob said.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 12:33 pm

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Well, I arrive and significant discussion is already occuring.
In post 30, jmo16mla wrote:why are we voting him? BRO's post was completely useless and was a joke reply to what was a serious statement.
Buh? Wha? Well, this seems to indicate that he believes gorckat's statement. I don't think anybody would try to WIFOM right out of the gate. This means that if jmo is scum, then gorckat and Radiant are not.
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Vote: JMO


Totally serious vote. Really overreacts to a joke response to an obvious joke by gorc (who is obvtown so far in the early game, by the way - I like his opening). But he doesn't say anything about TMT, who enters the game ignoring all serious discussion and reverting to RVS instead of trying to keep out of it. Why are you attacking one player for responding to a joke with a joke, but ignoring another player who opens with jokes after serious discussion has started. He's applying two different standards to two different players. That's not town. Motivations behind that, of course, remain up in the air, but there's no such motivation for town (unless he's a mason, but the probability of that is on the extreme low side).
Although I agree that jmo looks slightly scummy for his reaction to gorc and BRO, there is a very obvious flaw in the logic in this post. I will not mention it, because I want to see if jmo can defend himself.
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In post 46, gorckat wrote:Your 2, 3 and 4 go from wanting more info, not seeing why I make the statement and then being totes fine with my statement.
those descriptions aren't quite accurate

2 is correct, I didn't get it at first and wanted more info
3 is not correct, I stated that I didn't see a reason for you to know that radiant was town, NOT that I didn't see a reason for you to make a post. At this point I did think your post made sense, but I forgot to mention it so I brought it up in my next post.
4. Correct, I am totes fine with your statement, even though I don't see any way for you to know radiant was town.
What caused the change between #2 and #3?
In post 53, DCLXVI wrote:So then this is how it would have played out.

TMT did something you think is scummy.
JMO ignored him and therefor is scummier?

I didn't say anything about TMT, does that mean I'm scum as well?

If JMO's scuminess is determined by TMT being scum (after all if TMT isn't scum, then ignoring him doesn't look nearly as bad) then shouldn't your vote by on TMT?
Ummm... what? This is not at all what Rob's argument was. Either you are badly misreading his argument, or you are trying to deflect attention off of jmo and on to TMT. Do not like.
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Does Bo Know wrote:It's because Letters is scum. Duh.
Rob13 wrote:Yes, I do.
Someone, please let me know what I did. I feel like it's one of those situations where people are talking behind your back, but in a way so that you can hear snatches of the conversation.
The second one is the old "RVS is over because I have found something to discuss, but he still did an RVS vote rather than joining the discussion, get him!" It's a dumb argument in my opinion. Different people have different thresholds of discussion to exit RVS.
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And what would that be? Unless they are masons together I can't see how gorkcat would know radiant is town.
I find it interesting that the first thing that comes to mind here for you is that Gorkcat could be mason and not that he could be scum; almost as if you already know he's not scum?
Correct, I am totes fine with your statement, even though I don't see any way for you to know radiant was town.
You shouldn't be fine with someone making a statement like that without any elaboration.
Agree with the first, but disagree with the second.
In post 73, jmo16mla wrote:It was more of the fact that BRO directly quoted the statement, and replied with nothing useful. Possibly discusing such said statement could have been useful to town, as it would move us from RVS and create more discussion to catching scum.

TMT didn't acknowledge the statement like BRO did.
This is the exact flaw that I saw in Rob's argument.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 12:36 pm

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DCLXVI what is your opinion of Rob?
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 1:10 pm

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I don't see that as a flaw in the argument, nhammen. If you're going to call someone out for RVSing after you feel RVS is over, it doesn't matter whether they quote something serious or not. It's the same thing, in my eyes anyway.

Meanwhile, ThAd is prob-town. Gorkat still is as well.

DCL - respond to recent criticisms against you. I want to know how you interpreted my case in such a way that led you to respond the way you did.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 3:03 pm

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I'm comfortable with my vote on DCL.

Like nhammen, DCL answering what changed between 'wanting more info' and 'getting it' (but still not seeing why I say it).

What
did you get?

And if understand Thad's point (cold meds making me fuzzy), DCL was dissonant on TMT as well, also good reason to vote.

@mod: At least one vote coutn has me voting someone other than DCL.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 3:25 pm

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gorckat: Noted.

I was trying the "every new page" VC for this game, but I've gotten a request to keep it to separate posts. I'm fine with whatever you guys want, so feel free to send in some PMs on the subject.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:45 pm

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I like top of each page personally.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:20 am

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I'm gonna have to catch up on this game. I will soon...
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:24 am

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I think we should get DCLXVI up to L-1.

But that's just me.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:55 am

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Why so?
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 7:08 am

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In post 93, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think we should get DCLXVI up to L-1.

But that's just me.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 8:06 am

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In post 89, gorckat wrote:Like nhammen, DCL answering what changed between 'wanting more info' and 'getting it' (but still not seeing why I say it).
Well, at first I didn't get what you were doing so I asked for more info, then when I actually thought about it it made sense.

Its perfectly logical to both see why you did it, and not to see a reason for you to know that radiant is town. Let me explain.

Basically, I think your post was an effective way of trying to get us out of RVS which is town motivated. I don't believe you had any reason to call radiant town though. You just chose the first player to vote.

So yeah, I can get your motive but not see a reason for you to know radiant is town.
In post 87, nhammen wrote:DCLXVI what is your opinion of Rob?
Not sure yet, I've only seen him as town, not scum. I will say that a TMT scum flip would look really bad for him though.

@rob, if you write a glob of text with poor formatting, don't try and act surprised that someone misinterprets your case.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 8:54 am

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Yeah, apparently I'm not very good at promising my return.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 10:38 am

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In post 96, DCLXVI wrote:@rob, if you write a glob of text with poor formatting, don't try and act surprised that someone misinterprets your case.
Bullshit.
In post 49, Rob14 wrote:
Vote: JMO


Totally serious vote. Really overreacts to a joke response to an obvious joke by gorc (who is obvtown so far in the early game, by the way - I like his opening). But he doesn't say anything about TMT, who enters the game ignoring all serious discussion and reverting to RVS instead of trying to keep out of it. Why are you attacking one player for responding to a joke with a joke, but ignoring another player who opens with jokes after serious discussion has started. He's applying two different standards to two different players. That's not town. Motivations behind that, of course, remain up in the air, but there's no such motivation for town (unless he's a mason, but the probability of that is on the extreme low side).
What in this post was so badly formatted that you entirely misinterpreted my case? This was not a wall by any means. It was not a glob of text. It was a rather concise single paragraph.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 11:22 am

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Well, that's the truth...
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